[pacman-dev] [PATCH] makepkg: Add '--nocompress' syntactic sugar

Jouke Witteveen j.witteveen at gmail.com
Sun May 19 19:20:17 UTC 2019

On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 5:01 AM Eli Schwartz <eschwartz at archlinux.org> wrote:
> On 5/18/19 8:01 AM, Jouke Witteveen wrote:
> > On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 1:54 PM Allan McRae <allan at archlinux.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 18/5/19 9:34 pm, Jouke Witteveen wrote:
> >>> Compression is a waste of time when building a package for local
> >>> installation. It could already be suppressed easily, but not yet
> >>> via an argument to makepkg.
> >>
> >> As it could already be suppressed easily (makepkg.conf and with an
> >> environmental variable), we don't need an option.
> >
> > makepkg.conf is of course unsuitable for one-off package building
> > without compression. The environmental variable has different
> > ergonomics and discoverability.
> I agree with Allan that this is unnecessary.
> My assumption is that anyone interested in disabling compression will be
> interested in doing so for many packages, not just one -- the use case
> would presumably be for building custom packages for personal use, where:
> - disk space is usually not an issue
> - bandwidth is unaffected since it is never traveling over the network
> - the cpu cycles and wait time for compression are thus not worth it
> And in this case, it is equally true that you never want compression,
> whether you only intend to build one package ever, or not.
> > With the proposed patch, the semantics are simplified: Use
> > --nocompress if you want no compression, versus remembering to use
> > PKGEXT and what value to set it too.
> The semantics become more complicated, because there are now three
> places to disable compression rather than two, and one of those places
> *only* disables compresion, while the other two are also useful to
> choose a compression type.
> IMHO the current semantics are clearer, because the two places that it
> can be set are both defined as
> "choose a compression type, including 'no compression'"
> > The patch pulls this logic inside
> > makepkg and adds it to the documentation (manpage, bash-completion,
> > and --help). I'd say there is some definite value in the few extra
> > lines this adds.
> >
> > Anyway, thanks for your quick response!
> > - Jouke
> I don't think the argument should be about the number of lines it adds.
> Useful functionality should not be rejected for size issues except in
> extreme cases, and makepkg can definitely afford 284 bytes.
> The issue I see is the increased surface this adds, the fact that the
> --help text becomes longer (it already has enough options that even the
> short help text does not completely fit on my screen), the minor
> cognitive burden of deducing which of several ways to specify a thing
> will take precedence if all of them are being used.
> I'm not saying this is a major blocker, but it is definitely a
> consideration of some sort, and I don't currently believe there is a
> compelling argument that adding this syntactic sugar for an existing
> feature is sufficiently useful to justify yet another option.
> ...
> Implementation-wise, if I was passing a command-line option I would
> expect it to work always, no matter what, with absolutely no exceptions.
> For example, if I pass --nocheck, I expect that to override
> makepkg.conf's BUILDENV setting, and in fact, makepkg has a separate
> state variable to determine whether it is explicitly overridden on the
> command line ($RUN_CHECK) or set via makepkg.conf (the check_buildenv()
> function):
> if [[ $RUN_CHECK = 'y' ]] || { ! check_buildenv "check" "n" && [[
> $RUN_CHECK != "n" ]]; }
> Where this matters is for PKGBUILDs that have (unwisely) set this in the
> PKGBUILD itself. No matter how odd it is to do so, it should still be
> graded with the priority of a makepkg.conf setting, and not override an
> explicit command line option. This assumption holds true for
> --check/--nocheck, and does not hold true for your suggested --nocompress.
> It also matters if someone sets an environment override, e.g.
> makepkg CC=clang
> makepkg has little-known behavior modeled after `make` in this regard.
> Your suggested implementation relies on the fact that makepkg performs
> option parsing before sourcing makepkg.conf, and that it backs up and
> restores the PKGEXT variable from the environment in order to preserve
> it. This results in the --nocompress option acting identical to setting
> the environment variable. But it is worth less than `extra_environment`.
> While I do not "expect" people to use the very confusing command line
> invocation:
> makepkg --nocompress PKGEXT=.pkg.tar.xz
> I would prefer that if we were to do this, we be consistent in how we
> handle it.
> --
> Eli Schwartz

Wow, thanks for this detailed response! This helps a lot with my understanding.

- Jouke

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