[PATCH] libmakepkg/integrity: handle PGP signature files containing multiple signatures
Levente Polyak
anthraxx at archlinux.org
Sun Jun 26 21:46:03 UTC 2022
On 6/25/22 15:40, Jonas Witschel wrote:
> On 2022-06-25 22:09, Allan McRae wrote:
>> Somewhat offtopic - I'd argue that it is poor packaging to have more
>> validpgpkeys in a PKGBUILD than the key used to verify the source for that
>> particular package version. Lazily just adding more keys to a PKGBUILD and
>> not removing unneeded ones in case they are needed in the future is not
>> ideal.
> > We should indeed be more careful in actively removing old keys from
> validpgpkeys. However some upstreams have multiple active maintainers that
> "arbitrarily" sign new releases, in which case keeping all of them in the array
> can be helpful to convey an existing relationship of trust (without having to
> go through the revision control system to figure out whether the key of a new
> release has been already used in the past, or whether some other means of
> establishing a chain of trust is necessary).
>
While I agree with old keys should be thrown out and revisited regularly
whether upstream deprecated any, I disagree with only declaring the set
needed for a single particular package version. If we require packagers
to fiddle with the validpgpkeys array for virtually every release in a
multi-maintainer project, this will weaken effective security in the
long run.
Requiring to re-check history and the established chain of trust for the
current set of keys on each iteration will lead to a bigger window for
errors and ultimately lead to fatigue related to carefully handling any
changes to the validpgpkeys array.
When such a security property becomes a burden to maintain, humans by
nature will find a way to make it less annoying. Touching the
validpgpkeys array would become the quick easygoing norm instead of a
careful exception. This has also happened to pinned git sources where
packagers over time simply switched back to refnames -- but this will
hopefully get resolved by the immutable git sources patch.
>> How about... all signatures from trusted keys (either through PGP web of
>> trust, or via being in validpgpkeys) need to validate?
>>
>> That does not solve the rogue maintainer issue (it is up to a packager to
>> ask why the number of signatures dropped...), but it does address not
>> needing to validate a legacy key.
> > From a security standpoint I am fine with this approach (CC Levente
for his
> opinion).
>
> From an implementation standpoint I will note that this complicates things a
> bit due to the structure of the GnuPG status file: for a valid signature, we
> are guaranteed to get a VALIDSIG status code containing the full key
> fingerprint [1], matching the information that we record in validpgpkeys.
> For an invalid signature, we are only guaranteed to get a BADSIG/ERRSIG
> containing the (long) key ID of the key [2] (because the key might not even be
> available locally and the signature packet alone only contains the key ID
> instead of the full fingerprint). So in order to check whether a bad signature
> was produced by a key in validpgpkeys, we need to collect the corresponding key
> ID and check whether there is a *partial* match with one of the fingerprints in
> the validpgpkeys array.
>
> I will note that it is easy to find colliding key IDs [3], so normally one
> should not rely on the key ID alone (even if it is the "long" 64 bit instead of
> the "short" 32 bit ID). In this case I think using the ID should be fine
> though, since we only use it for "negative" matching as an additional security
> check rather than relying on the key ID for "positive" matching of trusted
> keys: if someone manages to upload a signature file containing a bad signature
> with a spoofed key ID, the validation would still fail (rightfully so), while a
> good signature from a spoofed key ID would not be considered as valid because
> the fingerprint in VALIDSIG does not match.
>
> If this seems like a reasonable approach to everybody, I would be happy to
> implement the necessary partial comparison of the key IDs of invalid signatures
> in a v3 of the patch. However I would like to hear Levente's opinion first
> since it was he who initially brought up the concerns regarding the handling of
> files containing multiple signatures.
>
This is quite exactly what went through my mind while thinking about the
proposal, hence I second what Jonas summarized.
As Jonas' previous mail (before the one I'm replying to) described: A
rouge maintainer would need to swap both, the tarball as well as the
signature. As a simple alternative, a new version containing just a
single signature could be released. Hence the signature would not need
to contain any BADSIG/ERRSIG from other maintainers in both scenarios.
The only real advantage that would result from the proposed changes
would be if a trusted attacker is able to replace the sources but only
append signatures at storage or in transit. -- which kind of sounds
unlikely.
I currently do not see any major disadvantages with the proposed changes
besides complexity. But considering that the net benefit of this
approach would be uncertain, I feel kind of mixed if that additional
check would bring any effective security.
Cheers,
Levente
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