On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Thomas M Steenholdt <tmus@tmus.dk> wrote:

On 2013-04-15 13:19, Dan McGee wrote:

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On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Tom Gundersen <teg@jklm.no> wrote:

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On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Lukas Jirkovsky <l.jirkovsky@gmail.com> wrote:

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On 15 April 2013 10:52, Allan McRae <allan@archlinux.org> wrote:

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In fact, I will provide the needed patches for a separate [debug] and [community-debug] repo if that is what is decided to happen. You have my full support when it comes to having debug packages in a separate repository.

On 15 April 2013 15:00, Tom Gundersen <teg@jklm.no> wrote:

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Couldn't pacman be fixed to only show debug packages in search results when you ask for it with a switch? Maybe something similar could be done for language packages? A simple alias/wrapper using grep on the pacman output would work too ;-) Yeah, so why make a separate repo? What's the problem with keeping debug packages in the normal repos? Our database files are rather large at this point, and for those that will never install debug packages, having to download extra stuff every time we update even one package in the database starts to get a bit crazy.

Adding PGP signatures to our databases made these files grow quite a bit; I'd be hesitant to double the size of them again.

-Dan

$ ls -lh /var/lib/pacman/sync/ total 3.8M -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 52K Apr 14 13:17 community-testing.db -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.9M Apr 15 06:26 community.db -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 106K Apr 15 05:15 core.db -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.5M Apr 15 05:09 extra.db -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.8K Apr 13 14:09 multilib-testing.db -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 105K Apr 13 18:59 multilib.db -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 126K Apr 15 06:37 testing.db Hi Dan,

Sorry for replying directly, but I cannot send to the arch-dev-public list.

I just thought there might be a hybrid solution to this problem, adding a -debug.db database file for each repo, and "activate" it using a pacman.conf flag.

Example:

[testing] DebugPkgs = Disabled # Or not defined = update and use only testing.db

[testing] DebugPkgs = Enabled = update and use both testing.db and testing-debug.db

With my limited insight, this keeps the "real" packages and their debug information in the "same" repository (which may or may not be easier to work with during package building), while limiting the download-size to the non-debug part of the repository, unless DebugPkgs - or whatever it would be called - has been explicitly enabled.

The solution is not far from simply creating a testing-debug repository, but I think it would feel more integrated.

It would also be significantly more work, require changes to pacman, etc. I don't see much benefit over a seperate repo other than a slightly less verbose pacman.conf setup. -Dan