On 07/27/2018 03:10 AM, Ralph Corderoy wrote:
Thanks, I found it on topic, given Peter explicitly mentioned the option, and very helpful. I've added a note to the suggestion in https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GnuPG#Use_a_keyserver
Yes, clearly jumping down the throat of anyone who dares mention they use such an option is super useful, because "it's fair game, they mentioned the option". Because no one ever, like, reads the manpage to understand what they're actually doing or why it helps. Oh well, at least you unlike Mr. Mardorf actually read the wiki page and are therefore qualified to point out that it suggests using an option without also giving the other side of the argument. This is a helpful way to approach things, thank you for noticing and for fixing it. :) Had this been the tone of conversation from the start I would have had no issues whatsoever. This is entirely different from "omg someone uses auto-key-retrieve quickly let me rant about how it is evil".
Am I alone in finding Eli's comments unnecessarily sarcastic and tiresome? I'm happy the Arch Linux community values a succinct and frank exchange of views, but it could still be high signal without the low-wit sarcasm by a few, and would be that bit nicer.
Some people make me more exasperated than others, usually when they make a trend of consistently unhelpful commentary. I'm generally okay with people who don't know a lot, and in fact I hang out in #archlinux-newbie and #archlinux-classroom on Freenode, helping to guide new users when I have the time. It's an entirely different matter when I see something which I don't regard as reasonable at any skill level. I consider this to be compatible with the Arch Linux philosophy of valuing common sense, pragmatism, and users with a do-it-yourself attitude who try to understand how things work... but does not have any goal, either implicit or explicit, of valuing bikesheds, valueless discussion, help vampires, trolls, the enforcement of foreign ideologies (FSF-style freedom is always a popular rallying point), and others. Your subsequent response about the wiki being lacking was useful, high-signal content! That does not absolve the person who jumps into the conversation with "I can't comment on the Wiki, since I didn't read it" from being decidedly low-signal, *continuing what I feel to be a general trend on a personal level*, and thus fair game for my sarcasm, "low-wit" or not. For I consider that to have been trolling. The fact that it had a useful result was entirely accidental and surprising. -- Eli Schwartz Bug Wrangler and Trusted User