Re: [arch-general] base stuff (was: Change Arch's default crond)

On Wednesday, April 06, 2011 18:13:04 Grigorios Bouzakis wrote:

Thomas S Hatch wrote:

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On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Grigorios Bouzakis wrote:

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Thomas S Hatch wrote:

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I am saving the "include SELINUX support in base for a latter date"

my understanding though is that the stated position of Arch was "no systemd"

s/was/is/g

That is also my understanding in regards to selinux. Although i am not familiar with "stated positions" about either.

PS. Ntp is fine application that will keep your clock synchronised. It seems to be 5 days off. :)

Yes the systemd topic keeps popping up, right now we don't know if certain upstream changes are going to force Arch into using systemd or not.

I dont think such a topic keeps popping up. In fact I dont remember reading a discussion between Arch developers about it, ever. I could probably go on ranting about stuff thats been shoved down users mouths the last years for months but its futile and a waste of time.

It was a discussion that popped up here, a debate between users who felt replacing sysvinit was completely unneeded to those who seemed to want to use systemd for some useless, unneeded feature maybe less than 1% of Arch users were going to actually use.

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As for adding SELinux support in base but keeping it turned off by default, +1

Although this isnt a vote, mine was for no selinux at all, so its just 1. :)

Selinux is another unneeded thing, but even worse is that it practically requires a doctorate in computer science to manipulate. Can't deny its security, though. +1 to leaving it out of Arch, not that anyone's asking Arch to.