Guys, I have run into a permission problem I can't understand. I need write access to the webserver on my laptop (that's where the developement happens). I have always just made myself a member of the webserver group and give the group write access to the document root (some applications require it). Today, setting up the webserver, I did the same thing only to be met with a permission denied message when I attempted a copy -- Huh? Here are the details: 16:59 alchemy:/srv/http> l total 8 drwxrwxr-x 2 root http 4096 2009-10-31 22:53 . drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 2009-10-31 22:53 .. 16:59 alchemy:/srv/http> grep http /etc/group http::33:david 16:59 alchemy:/srv/http> touch testfile touch: cannot touch `testfile': Permission denied This is in konsole in kde4. I can't understand why the touch failed (I could just be confused at the moment as well). I am a member of the http group (added with gpasswd -a david http, not just edited like usual), the http group has write permission to the http directory. But, when I try to write to the http directory --> I get the error. Can anyone see the error in my logic? (diplomatically, of course) What's the trick? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com