strange Adwaita tray icon difficulties
Dear all, I am experiencing some strangeness with the Adwaita tray icons of VLC and volumeicon. They disappeared from the tray around this summer (unfortunately no precise data here) and I needed to revert to the latest working package adwaita-icon-theme-41.0-1-any.pkg.tar.zst for those icons to work again. My environment is using stalonetray and a very simple window manager (no Gnome, no KDE whatsoever). Are others impacted as well ? Any clue how to get back on track ? Interestingly last week some apps suddenly showed completely black windows: simple-scan and pavucontrol, and i had to revert to older packages to make them work again. Are those phenomena related? Thanks for any help. Daniel
Am Mittwoch, dem 25.09.2024 um 11:09 +0200 schrieb Daniel Ranc:
Dear all,
I am experiencing some strangeness with the Adwaita tray icons of VLC and volumeicon. They disappeared from the tray around this summer (unfortunately no precise data here) and I needed to revert to the latest working package adwaita-icon-theme-41.0-1-any.pkg.tar.zst for those icons to work again.
My environment is using stalonetray and a very simple window manager (no Gnome, no KDE whatsoever).
Are others impacted as well ? Any clue how to get back on track ?
Interestingly last week some apps suddenly showed completely black windows: simple-scan and pavucontrol, and i had to revert to older packages to make them work again. Are those phenomena related?
Thanks for any help.
Daniel
Hi, you might have to install adwaita-icon-theme-legacy to get missing icons back. BR André
On 25/09/2024 11:48, André Apitzsch wrote:
Am Mittwoch, dem 25.09.2024 um 11:09 +0200 schrieb Daniel Ranc:
Dear all,
I am experiencing some strangeness with the Adwaita tray icons of VLC and volumeicon. They disappeared from the tray around this summer (unfortunately no precise data here) and I needed to revert to the latest working package adwaita-icon-theme-41.0-1-any.pkg.tar.zst for those icons to work again.
My environment is using stalonetray and a very simple window manager (no Gnome, no KDE whatsoever).
Are others impacted as well ? Any clue how to get back on track ?
Interestingly last week some apps suddenly showed completely black windows: simple-scan and pavucontrol, and i had to revert to older packages to make them work again. Are those phenomena related?
Thanks for any help.
Daniel Hi,
you might have to install adwaita-icon-theme-legacy to get missing icons back.
BR André
André, this package anyway has been installed the 16th of September by a general update, and it did not change anything.
On 2024-09-25 at 11:09:08 +0200, Daniel Ranc <daniel.ranc@telecom-sudparis.eu> wrote:
I am experiencing some strangeness with the Adwaita tray icons of VLC and volumeicon. They disappeared from the tray around this summer (unfortunately no precise data here) and I needed to revert to the latest working package adwaita-icon-theme-41.0-1-any.pkg.tar.zst for those icons to work again.
My environment is using stalonetray and a very simple window manager (no Gnome, no KDE whatsoever).
Old school. Me, too. :-)
Are others impacted as well ? Any clue how to get back on track ?
Interestingly last week some apps suddenly showed completely black windows: simple-scan and pavucontrol, and i had to revert to older packages to make them work again. Are those phenomena related?
Another possibility is that your applications are starting to use the Status Notifier Icon API. From my ~/.xinit file: # iwgtk does Status Notifier Icon, but some system trays # (*cough*, tint2, stalonetray, *cough*) don't, so we use # snixembed instead snixembed & sleep $delay So maybe install snixembed from AUR[0]? [0] https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/snixembed
On 25/09/2024 15:02, 2QdxY4RzWzUUiLuE@potatochowder.com wrote:
On 2024-09-25 at 11:09:08 +0200, Daniel Ranc <daniel.ranc@telecom-sudparis.eu> wrote:
I am experiencing some strangeness with the Adwaita tray icons of VLC and volumeicon. They disappeared from the tray around this summer (unfortunately no precise data here) and I needed to revert to the latest working package adwaita-icon-theme-41.0-1-any.pkg.tar.zst for those icons to work again.
My environment is using stalonetray and a very simple window manager (no Gnome, no KDE whatsoever).
Old school. Me, too. :-)
Are others impacted as well ? Any clue how to get back on track ?
Interestingly last week some apps suddenly showed completely black windows: simple-scan and pavucontrol, and i had to revert to older packages to make them work again. Are those phenomena related?
Another possibility is that your applications are starting to use the Status Notifier Icon API. From my ~/.xinit file:
# iwgtk does Status Notifier Icon, but some system trays # (*cough*, tint2, stalonetray, *cough*) don't, so we use # snixembed instead snixembed & sleep $delay
So maybe install snixembed from AUR[0]?
Interesting! Thank you for the pointer. However the culprit apps (simple-scan, pavucontrol) do not use tray icons at all. They simply open a black, empty window. It seems the issue with those is not related to my icon issue, after all.
Those are GTK4 applications, and the default GTK4 renderer was changed from OpenGL to Vulkan last week. Possibly the cause for the blank windows. If your setup doesn't support Vulkan, the renderer can be set back to OpenGL via environment variable GSK_RENDERER=opengl. On 25.9.2024 17.14, Daniel Ranc wrote:
On 25/09/2024 15:02, 2QdxY4RzWzUUiLuE@potatochowder.com wrote:
On 2024-09-25 at 11:09:08 +0200, Daniel Ranc <daniel.ranc@telecom-sudparis.eu> wrote:
I am experiencing some strangeness with the Adwaita tray icons of VLC and volumeicon. They disappeared from the tray around this summer (unfortunately no precise data here) and I needed to revert to the latest working package adwaita-icon-theme-41.0-1-any.pkg.tar.zst for those icons to work again.
My environment is using stalonetray and a very simple window manager (no Gnome, no KDE whatsoever). Old school. Me, too. :-)
Are others impacted as well ? Any clue how to get back on track ?
Interestingly last week some apps suddenly showed completely black windows: simple-scan and pavucontrol, and i had to revert to older packages to make them work again. Are those phenomena related? Another possibility is that your applications are starting to use the Status Notifier Icon API. From my ~/.xinit file:
# iwgtk does Status Notifier Icon, but some system trays # (*cough*, tint2, stalonetray, *cough*) don't, so we use # snixembed instead snixembed & sleep $delay
So maybe install snixembed from AUR[0]?
[0] https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/snixembed Interesting! Thank you for the pointer. However the culprit apps (simple-scan, pavucontrol) do not use tray icons at all. They simply open a black, empty window. It seems the issue with those is not related to my icon issue, after all.
On 25/09/2024 16:57, Janne Veteläinen wrote:
Those are GTK4 applications, and the default GTK4 renderer was changed from OpenGL to Vulkan last week. Possibly the cause for the blank windows.
If your setup doesn't support Vulkan, the renderer can be set back to OpenGL via environment variable GSK_RENDERER=opengl.
Excellent! Thank you for this info I was'nt aware of. However I tried: export GSK_RENDERER=opengl and started the updated pavucontrol, unfortunately to no avail: still black. I know that my system has difficulties with Vulkan (AMD graphic card). Sad.
On 25.9.2024 17.14, Daniel Ranc wrote:
On 25/09/2024 15:02, 2QdxY4RzWzUUiLuE@potatochowder.com wrote:
On 2024-09-25 at 11:09:08 +0200, Daniel Ranc <daniel.ranc@telecom-sudparis.eu> wrote:
I am experiencing some strangeness with the Adwaita tray icons of VLC and volumeicon. They disappeared from the tray around this summer (unfortunately no precise data here) and I needed to revert to the latest working package adwaita-icon-theme-41.0-1-any.pkg.tar.zst for those icons to work again.
My environment is using stalonetray and a very simple window manager (no Gnome, no KDE whatsoever). Old school. Me, too. :-)
Are others impacted as well ? Any clue how to get back on track ?
Interestingly last week some apps suddenly showed completely black windows: simple-scan and pavucontrol, and i had to revert to older packages to make them work again. Are those phenomena related? Another possibility is that your applications are starting to use the Status Notifier Icon API. From my ~/.xinit file:
# iwgtk does Status Notifier Icon, but some system trays # (*cough*, tint2, stalonetray, *cough*) don't, so we use # snixembed instead snixembed & sleep $delay
So maybe install snixembed from AUR[0]?
[0] https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/snixembed Interesting! Thank you for the pointer. However the culprit apps (simple-scan, pavucontrol) do not use tray icons at all. They simply open a black, empty window. It seems the issue with those is not related to my icon issue, after all.
On 25.9.2024 18.27, Daniel Ranc wrote:
Those are GTK4 applications, and the default GTK4 renderer was changed from OpenGL to Vulkan last week. Possibly the cause for the blank windows.
If your setup doesn't support Vulkan, the renderer can be set back to OpenGL via environment variable GSK_RENDERER=opengl. Excellent! Thank you for this info I was'nt aware of. However I
On 25/09/2024 16:57, Janne Veteläinen wrote: tried:
export GSK_RENDERER=opengl
and started the updated pavucontrol, unfortunately to no avail: still black.
I know that my system has difficulties with Vulkan (AMD graphic card). Sad.
On 25.9.2024 17.14, Daniel Ranc wrote:
On 25/09/2024 15:02, 2QdxY4RzWzUUiLuE@potatochowder.com wrote:
On 2024-09-25 at 11:09:08 +0200, Daniel Ranc <daniel.ranc@telecom-sudparis.eu> wrote:
I am experiencing some strangeness with the Adwaita tray icons of VLC and volumeicon. They disappeared from the tray around this summer (unfortunately no precise data here) and I needed to revert to the latest working package adwaita-icon-theme-41.0-1-any.pkg.tar.zst for those icons to work again.
My environment is using stalonetray and a very simple window manager (no Gnome, no KDE whatsoever). Old school. Me, too. :-)
Are others impacted as well ? Any clue how to get back on track ?
Interestingly last week some apps suddenly showed completely black windows: simple-scan and pavucontrol, and i had to revert to older packages to make them work again. Are those phenomena related? Another possibility is that your applications are starting to use the Status Notifier Icon API. From my ~/.xinit file:
# iwgtk does Status Notifier Icon, but some system trays # (*cough*, tint2, stalonetray, *cough*) don't, so we use # snixembed instead snixembed & sleep $delay
So maybe install snixembed from AUR[0]?
[0] https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/snixembed Interesting! Thank you for the pointer. However the culprit apps (simple-scan, pavucontrol) do not use tray icons at all. They simply open a black, empty window. It seems the issue with those is not related to my icon issue, after all.
It seems I broke the flow of conversation, by becoming guilty of something I just discovered is called "top posting". Sorry for that :D
I have bitten by that too, on three systems that I maintain. Even on the one which uses Xfce desktop. This random breaking changes to GTK and Gnome related stuff is disrespectful to users. And the usuall answer is that “If you don’t like it, use something else!”; but they are damn everywhere. Gtk used to be the goto universal toolkit on GNU/Linux platform that everyone would use to make his/her app; now they are maintaining and developing it only for Gnome and Adwaita adhering apps. Anything based on GTK keeps not fitting in any other DE or any machine that Gnome project doesn’t like or care to support. And worst is, that any complaint anywhere usually results in aggressive or hostile responses. -- Best Regards, Abraham Sent with Tutanota; https://tuta.com
On Thu, 2024-09-26 at 03:02 +0200, Abraham S.A.H. wrote:
And worst is, that any complaint anywhere usually results in aggressive or hostile responses.
Hi, this does not apply to GNOME as a whole, there are GNOME developers listening, not to mention projects that use GTK and have nothing to do with GNOME. Regards, Ralf PS: TL;DR However, GNOME has at least taken a very aggressive step in terms of communicating with users. Gamification [1]! All mailing lists hosted by the Gnome project were dropped in favour of a gamification forum [2]. AFAIK Discourse doesn't enforce gamification, just the GNOME folks decided to enforce gamification to their users. Btw. no, no, no, Discourse does not provide a mailing list feature. 1. Before you can use what they call a mailing list, you have to have earned enough points playing on the forum. 2. The so-called mailing list has nothing in common with a real mailing list, e.g. there are no threads. The midnight commander and evolution communities have moved their mailing lists to OSU OSL. Midnight commander isn't GNOME but was hosted at GNOME. Evolution is part of the GNOME project, but in terms of GUI design and developer attitude, it is very different from the rest of GNOME. Many proprietary projects rely on forums and have never set up a mailing list, but at least they don't impose full-hardcore gamification on their users. I consider the imposition of gamification to be an extremely aggressive step, and by that I don't mean awards from junior to senior member, but that you can only use a feature like a pseudo mailing list once you reach a certain level, for example. The idea is to condition the users to use the forum and if a user gets the idea to try out the mailing list function, he will be offered a false, broken mailing list so that he will have a bad experience and crawl back to the forum, where there are tasty treats. For the GNOME project, a user is nothing more than a Pavlov's dog [3]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamification [2] https://discourse.gnome.org/ [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_conditioning
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2QdxY4RzWzUUiLuE＠potatochowder.com
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Abraham S.A.H.
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André Apitzsch
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Daniel Ranc
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Janne Veteläinen
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Ralf Mardorf