[arch-general] MariaDB package version
I recently noticed Arch Linux's mariadb package is still on the 10.1 release series, even though upstream has considered the 10.2 and 10.3 release series to be "stable" for at least 4 months. Arch is usually so good about keeping everything up-to-date, so I am curious what the reason for this is. Something to do with compatibility? Thanks, ~ Kevin Dodd
On 9/26/18 3:31 PM, Kevin Dodd via arch-general wrote:
I recently noticed Arch Linux's mariadb package is still on the 10.1 release series, even though upstream has considered the 10.2 and 10.3 release series to be "stable" for at least 4 months. Arch is usually so good about keeping everything up-to-date, so I am curious what the reason for this is. Something to do with compatibility?
https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2017-September/044255.htm... If you have further news, feel free to share. :) -- Eli Schwartz Bug Wrangler and Trusted User
On 9/26/18 9:55 PM, Eli Schwartz via arch-general wrote:
On 9/26/18 3:31 PM, Kevin Dodd via arch-general wrote:
I recently noticed Arch Linux's mariadb package is still on the 10.1 release series, even though upstream has considered the 10.2 and 10.3 release series to be "stable" for at least 4 months. Arch is usually so good about keeping everything up-to-date, so I am curious what the reason for this is. Something to do with compatibility?
https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2017-September/044255.htm...
If you have further news, feel free to share. :)
Mariadb 10.2 and 10.3 are available in all distro except Arch https://downloads.mariadb.org/mariadb/repositories/#mirror=cnrs
Hello, ** leoutation@gmx.fr [2018-09-27 13:04:53 +0200]:
On 9/26/18 9:55 PM, Eli Schwartz via arch-general wrote:
On 9/26/18 3:31 PM, Kevin Dodd via arch-general wrote:
I recently noticed Arch Linux's mariadb package is still on the 10.1 release series, even though upstream has considered the 10.2 and 10.3 release series to be "stable" for at least 4 months. Arch is usually so good about keeping everything up-to-date, so I am curious what the reason for this is. Something to do with compatibility?
https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2017-September/044255.htm...
If you have further news, feel free to share. :)
Mariadb 10.2 and 10.3 are available in all distro except Arch https://downloads.mariadb.org/mariadb/repositories/#mirror=cnrs
I'm sorry but you are wrong! See https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=mariadb&searchon=names&suite=cosmic§ion=all (cosmic is not released even!) https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mariadb&searchon=names&suite=unstable§ion=all (and this is unstable!) https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/mariadb/commits/el6 (el6, centos 6) https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/mariadb/commits/f27 (10.2.17) https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/mariadb/commits/f28 (10.2.17) https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/mariadb/commits/f29 (10.3.9, next release, not released yet). And why you are refering to mariadb.org site? Do they provide distro packages on distro official mirrors? If I understand that site correctly this is not official repositories (except Archlinux, they just give usual receipt how to install package). Nobody stops you to build mariadb package locally (I do that for some packages). --- WBR, Vladimir Lomov -- Deliberate provocation of mystical experience, particularly by LSD and related hallucinogens, in contrast to spontaneous visionary experiences, entails dangers that must not be underestimated. Practitioners must take into account the peculiar effects of these substances, namely their ability to influence our consciousness, the innermost essence of our being. The history of LSD to date amply demonstrates the catastrophic consequences that can ensue when its profound effect is misjudged and the substance is mistaken for a pleasure drug. Special internal and external advance preparations are required; with them, an LSD experiment can become a meaningful experience. -- Dr. Albert Hoffman, the discoverer of LSD
On 9/27/18 3:29 PM, Vladimir Lomov via arch-general wrote:
Hello, ** leoutation@gmx.fr [2018-09-27 13:04:53 +0200]:
On 9/26/18 9:55 PM, Eli Schwartz via arch-general wrote:
On 9/26/18 3:31 PM, Kevin Dodd via arch-general wrote:
I recently noticed Arch Linux's mariadb package is still on the 10.1 release series, even though upstream has considered the 10.2 and 10.3 release series to be "stable" for at least 4 months. Arch is usually so good about keeping everything up-to-date, so I am curious what the reason for this is. Something to do with compatibility?
https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2017-September/044255.htm...
If you have further news, feel free to share. :)
Mariadb 10.2 and 10.3 are available in all distro except Arch https://downloads.mariadb.org/mariadb/repositories/#mirror=cnrs
I'm sorry but you are wrong! See https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=mariadb&searchon=names&suite=cosmic§ion=all (cosmic is not released even!) https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mariadb&searchon=names&suite=unstable§ion=all (and this is unstable!) https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/mariadb/commits/el6 (el6, centos 6) https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/mariadb/commits/f27 (10.2.17) https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/mariadb/commits/f28 (10.2.17) https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/mariadb/commits/f29 (10.3.9, next release, not released yet).
And why you are refering to mariadb.org site? Do they provide distro packages on distro official mirrors? If I understand that site correctly this is not official repositories (except Archlinux, they just give usual receipt how to install package). Hi You're true. Mariaddb site gives partial or wrong information about distro mariadb packages.
Nobody stops you to build mariadb package locally (I do that for some packages). Me too for many Aur packages. Concerning Mariadb, it's another story...
Regards
On 9/27/18 7:04 AM, leoutation@gmx.fr wrote:
If you have further news, feel free to share. :)
Mariadb 10.2 and 10.3 are available in all distro except Arch https://downloads.mariadb.org/mariadb/repositories/#mirror=cnrs
The link Eli provided references lots of client programs having problems - but I didn't find a list of which client programs. Given how long this has been, I would like to suggest that the problem lies with the clients at this juncture and not with mariadb. I see 3 basic options to choose from for each offending client package: (i) Drop client (ii) Compile the client statically linked ( removes the need to provide and older mariadb. ) (iii) Provide 2 mariadb packages Current and the older one needed for the clients to run using shared libraries. Hard to say without knowing which clients. And I don't know how much work keeping both versions might be. This seems a bit similar to the python situation where we still seem to have couplings to python 2. Does anyone have a list of the 'problematic clients' so a reasonable decision can be made how to move forward and update mariadb? Eli how do you think we should proceed at this point? thanks! gene
Am 27.09.18 um 15:36 schrieb Genes Lists via arch-general:
On 9/27/18 7:04 AM, leoutation@gmx.fr wrote:
If you have further news, feel free to share. :)
Mariadb 10.2 and 10.3 are available in all distro except Arch https://downloads.mariadb.org/mariadb/repositories/#mirror=cnrs
The link Eli provided references lots of client programs having problems - but I didn't find a list of which client programs.
Given how long this has been, I would like to suggest that the problem lies with the clients at this juncture and not with mariadb.
I see 3 basic options to choose from for each offending client package:
(i) Drop client (ii) Compile the client statically linked ( removes the need to provide and older mariadb. ) (iii) Provide 2 mariadb packages Current and the older one needed for the clients to run using shared libraries.
Hard to say without knowing which clients. And I don't know how much work keeping both versions might be. This seems a bit similar to the python situation where we still seem to have couplings to python 2.
Does anyone have a list of the 'problematic clients' so a reasonable decision can be made how to move forward and update mariadb?
Eli how do you think we should proceed at this point?
thanks!
gene
Hello, I just looked at the sources for libmariadb (Connector/C) and it seems that there is an option to build it with compatibility symlinks for libmysqlclient: WITH_MYSQLCOMPAT. I am not sure which sonames are provided for compatibility, but according to mariadb.org the client library should always be binary compatible with the corresponding mysql release. Did anyone test if there are still incompatible clients with the most recent mariadb release? I have a fourth option if the symlinks cause problems. (iv) Ship mariadb with libmariadb only and provide an additional libmysqlclient package that contains a compiled copy of the real libmysqlclient. -- Andreas
On 09/27/2018 08:57 AM, ProgAndy wrote:
I have a fourth option if the symlinks cause problems.
(iv) Ship mariadb with libmariadb only and provide an additional libmysqlclient package that contains a compiled copy of the real libmysqlclient.
From a practical standpoint, as long as the package dependencies in all PKGBUILDs needing the new package were updated, it's not a bad way to go, if
Only thought there is that would erase the "Drop in Replacement" selling point for mariadb/mysql (see: https://mariadb.com/kb/en/library/mariadb-vs-mysql-compatibility/). there is objection to simply building and including both in the libmariadb package. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
Genes Lists via arch-general <arch-general@archlinux.org> on Thu, 2018/09/27 09:36:
On 9/27/18 7:04 AM, leoutation@gmx.fr wrote:
If you have further news, feel free to share. :)
Mariadb 10.2 and 10.3 are available in all distro except Arch https://downloads.mariadb.org/mariadb/repositories/#mirror=cnrs
The link Eli provided references lots of client programs having problems - but I didn't find a list of which client programs.
We encountered random failures in different client... And did not record an exact list. Possibly most of this was fixed in later version - I did not check in detail. I do build packages for recent versions of MariaDB from time to time. Still failing is perl-dbd-mysql with its extensive test suite, that was my primary test case. Due to unaddressed issues with MariaDB (and Unicode) the original DBD::mysql was forked into DBD::MariaDB [0]. Possibly we should have a look on whether or not replacing this package is an option... But if I understand correctly this brings new incompatibility. [0] https://metacpan.org/pod/DBD::MariaDB -- main(a){char*c=/* Schoene Gruesse */"B?IJj;MEH" "CX:;",b;for(a/* Best regards my address: */=0;b=c[a++];) putchar(b-1/(/* Chris cc -ox -xc - && ./x */b/42*2-3)*42);}
On 9/30/18 12:47 AM, Christian Hesse wrote:
Genes Lists via arch-general <arch-general@archlinux.org> on Thu, 2018/09/27 09:36:
On 9/27/18 7:04 AM, leoutation@gmx.fr wrote:
If you have further news, feel free to share. :)
Mariadb 10.2 and 10.3 are available in all distro except Arch https://downloads.mariadb.org/mariadb/repositories/#mirror=cnrs
The link Eli provided references lots of client programs having problems - but I didn't find a list of which client programs.
We encountered random failures in different client... And did not record an exact list. Possibly most of this was fixed in later version - I did not check in detail.
I do build packages for recent versions of MariaDB from time to time. Still failing is perl-dbd-mysql with its extensive test suite, that was my primary test case.
Due to unaddressed issues with MariaDB (and Unicode) the original DBD::mysql was forked into DBD::MariaDB [0]. Possibly we should have a look on whether or not replacing this package is an option... But if I understand correctly this brings new incompatibility.
Thanks for this explanation. Perl-dbd-mysql is a mysql module necessary for xtrabackup. May you replace xtrabackup with other backup tool? Here, they say MariaDB Backup, included with MariaDB 10.1.23 and later, is a fork of xtrabackup. https://mariadb.com/kb/en/library/backup-and-restore-overview/ Question: is it necessary to keep xtrabackup? Regards
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