[arch-general] MUA
Mutt grows old and still doesn't do threads the way i want. i've tried sup, but find it too early in development. Especcially it is unusable slow. Can somone recommend another MUA? thanks -- Arvid Asgaard Technologies
On Tuesday 17 November 2009 22:37:08 Arvid Picciani wrote:
Mutt grows old and still doesn't do threads the way i want. i've tried sup, but find it too early in development. Especcially it is unusable slow.
Can somone recommend another MUA?
kmail. Using for last 5+ years with no real complaints.. -- Shridhar
Arvid Picciani wrote:
Mutt grows old and still doesn't do threads the way i want. i've tried sup, but find it too early in development. Especcially it is unusable slow.
Can somone recommend another MUA?
thanks
emacs/gnus emacs/wanderlust ?
Sergej Pupykin wrote:
Arvid Picciani wrote:
Mutt grows old and still doesn't do threads the way i want. i've tried sup, but find it too early in development. Especcially it is unusable slow.
Can somone recommend another MUA?
thanks
emacs/gnus emacs/wanderlust ?
humm.. i didn't know emacs has... oh well i should have known, should i? :D thanks. -- Arvid Asgaard Technologies
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:20:06 +0100, Arvid Picciani <aep@exys.org> wrote:
Sergej Pupykin wrote:
Arvid Picciani wrote:
Mutt grows old and still doesn't do threads the way i want. i've tried sup, but find it too early in development. Especcially it is unusable slow.
Can somone recommend another MUA?
thanks
emacs/gnus emacs/wanderlust ?
humm.. i didn't know emacs has... oh well i should have known, should i? :D
thanks.
I use Alpine when working from console, it has some thread support. For the rest of the time, I'm happy with Opera doing the job. -- Jeroen Op 't Eynde jeroen@xprsyrslf.be http://xprsyrslf.be Ps: Check the new design for my website: XprsYrslf.be
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Arvid Picciani <aep@exys.org> wrote:
Mutt grows old and still doesn't do threads the way i want. i've tried sup, but find it too early in development. Especcially it is unusable slow.
Can somone recommend another MUA?
Lately I realized I have become way too addicted of the gmail interface, and in particular the way it handles threads (but not only). I am scared I cannot switch back to any real client, which sucks. It would a better way to handle my two accounts :P
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Xavier <shiningxc@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Arvid Picciani <aep@exys.org> wrote:
Mutt grows old and still doesn't do threads the way i want. i've tried sup, but find it too early in development. Especcially it is unusable slow.
Can somone recommend another MUA?
Lately I realized I have become way too addicted of the gmail interface, and in particular the way it handles threads (but not only). I am scared I cannot switch back to any real client, which sucks. It would a better way to handle my two accounts :P
I can agree with you here. I really hope someone decides to make a good MUA that acts like gmail (sup is close, but not the same)
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:11:12 -0600 Aaron Griffin <aaronmgriffin@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Xavier <shiningxc@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Arvid Picciani <aep@exys.org> wrote:
Mutt grows old and still doesn't do threads the way i want. i've tried sup, but find it too early in development. Especcially it is unusable slow.
Can somone recommend another MUA?
Lately I realized I have become way too addicted of the gmail interface, and in particular the way it handles threads (but not only). I am scared I cannot switch back to any real client, which sucks. It would a better way to handle my two accounts :P
I can agree with you here. I really hope someone decides to make a good MUA that acts like gmail (sup is close, but not the same)
I've been using Claws-Mail [1] since forever and have been happily using it with Gmail as well as my ISP account. [1] http://claws-mail.org/ Regards, Myles - -- Myles Green Linux. It isn't about it being free, it's about the freedom it brings. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAksC8wwACgkQ1TmPUtHwHkc3+QCeJ7BfZii25RtU6hpYGGo/ZMtf ZdoAn02DEz24qgdhTc51xvCGN8uER5Yu =F4qz -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:01:31 -0800 Myles Green <mylesg@gmail.com> wrote:
I've been using Claws-Mail [1] since forever and have been happily using it with Gmail as well as my ISP account.
claws is cool indeed. i like the ability to view html mail (for newsletters and such). i just hoped it was more configurable (e.g. per-account keybindings so i could have single-key keybindings to delete mails when i'm in my news/mailinglists/.. folder) Dieter
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:46:15 +0100 Dieter Plaetinck <dieter@plaetinck.be> wrote:
claws is cool indeed. i like the ability to view html mail (for newsletters and such). i just hoped it was more configurable (e.g. per-account keybindings so i could have single-key keybindings to delete mails when i'm in my news/mailinglists/.. folder)
oh and before anyone says "just press delete, dummy": it should also work after having focused the message viewpane ;-) [and it should *only* work like this in a specific folder] Dieter
On Tuesday 17 November 2009 19:06:18 Xavier wrote:
Lately I realized I have become way too addicted of the gmail interface, and in particular the way it handles threads
Would you mind to explain what is addicting you? I specially *dislike* the way gmail puts all the replies at the same level, just to take one example out of my head. Damnshock
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Marc Deop i Argemí <damnshock@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday 17 November 2009 19:06:18 Xavier wrote:
Lately I realized I have become way too addicted of the gmail interface, and in particular the way it handles threads
Would you mind to explain what is addicting you?
I specially *dislike* the way gmail puts all the replies at the same level, just to take one example out of my head.
My girlfriend hates the exact same thing. That's one of the things I love about it. Think about it this way: blog comments, forum posts, instant messages, and (some) phone text messages work this way - your messages and other people's messages are all displayed together, because it's a "conversation". I've never seen an IM client that doesn't display what I write. Why should email be different?
I thought he was talking about how gmail only has one level for each conversation and some MUA have more gmail keeps a list of mails and other ones create a tree of mails branching at each reply that doesn't follow the data sequencing or something like that... -- Guilherme M. Nogueira "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke
On 11/17/09 at 01:13pm, Aaron Griffin wrote:
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Marc Deop i Argemí <damnshock@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday 17 November 2009 19:06:18 Xavier wrote:
Lately I realized I have become way too addicted of the gmail interface, and in particular the way it handles threads
Would you mind to explain what is addicting you?
I specially *dislike* the way gmail puts all the replies at the same level, just to take one example out of my head.
My girlfriend hates the exact same thing. That's one of the things I love about it.
Think about it this way: blog comments, forum posts, instant messages, and (some) phone text messages work this way - your messages and other people's messages are all displayed together, because it's a "conversation". I've never seen an IM client that doesn't display what I write. Why should email be different?
I understand seeing your own replies as a benefit (could be solved with set record = [Gmail]/INBOX in muttrc). But I believe he meant the branching. In gmail's web interface a thread is vertical, sorted by time. However here in mutt, I can see that I've replied to you in our own little thread branch. I like this better. Personally, with the proper sort, sort_aux, and record settings in muttrc, I don't see how gmail's got anything on mutt in the realm of threading. That's just me though :) to each their own. Pat -- patrick brisbin
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Patrick Brisbin <pbrisbin@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/17/09 at 01:13pm, Aaron Griffin wrote:
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Marc Deop i Argemí <damnshock@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday 17 November 2009 19:06:18 Xavier wrote:
Lately I realized I have become way too addicted of the gmail interface, and in particular the way it handles threads
Would you mind to explain what is addicting you?
I specially *dislike* the way gmail puts all the replies at the same level, just to take one example out of my head.
My girlfriend hates the exact same thing. That's one of the things I love about it.
Think about it this way: blog comments, forum posts, instant messages, and (some) phone text messages work this way - your messages and other people's messages are all displayed together, because it's a "conversation". I've never seen an IM client that doesn't display what I write. Why should email be different?
I understand seeing your own replies as a benefit (could be solved with set record = [Gmail]/INBOX in muttrc). But I believe he meant the branching.
In gmail's web interface a thread is vertical, sorted by time. However here in mutt, I can see that I've replied to you in our own little thread branch.
I like this better. Personally, with the proper sort, sort_aux, and record settings in muttrc, I don't see how gmail's got anything on mutt in the realm of threading.
That's just me though :) to each their own.
Aha, so this is the same as the "threaded vs nested comments" when it comes to web page commenting. As far as I know, that's a holy war no one will ever win.
On Tuesday 17 November 2009 20:23:25 Aaron Griffin wrote:
Aha, so this is the same as the "threaded vs nested comments" when it comes to web page commenting. As far as I know, that's a holy war no one will ever win.
Well, in Kmail I can set it to keep my replies on the folder as well as to a "flat/nested" way of sorting emails. For me works as this: 1)keep replies on the folder so I can see what I write 2)Thread sort of emails so I can see exactly what,who and when you replied to The funny thing is that the one thing that some love is the one that others hate ;) Curious, ain't it? Damnshock
Le Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:23:25 -0600, Aaron Griffin <aaronmgriffin@gmail.com> a écrit :
Aha, so this is the same as the "threaded vs nested comments" when it comes to web page commenting. As far as I know, that's a holy war no one will ever win.
Strange that you like Gmail-style but the comments on your own blog are nested ;) Otherwise, I am also searching for something a console application that could efficiently replace claws-mail (because I would like to use it through SSH and I don't like -X and the like) but I haven't found any for now. The best one I've tried is sup but its (and gmail's) model doesn't work well with mutiple mailoxes. I have seven, and I want to keep using all of them for receiving *and* sending messages, as they serve different purposes. Notmuch looks promising and I could maybe build a nice interface on top of it if I had more time / fewer projects / was less lazy... -- catwell
On 2009-11-17, Patrick Brisbin wrote:
In gmail's web interface a thread is vertical, sorted by time. However here in mutt, I can see that I've replied to you in our own little thread branch.
I definitely prefer the proper threading available in Mutt. I often find myself navigating through my email more quickly using Mutt than I do by using Gmail - however, this is probably because I still point and click when using the web interface. -- Sincerely, Antony Jepson / <antonyat@gmail.com> / GPG Key: 0xFA10ED80
Antony Jepson wrote:
On 2009-11-17, Patrick Brisbin wrote:
In gmail's web interface a thread is vertical, sorted by time. However here in mutt, I can see that I've replied to you in our own little thread branch.
I definitely prefer the proper threading available in Mutt. I often find myself navigating through my email more quickly using Mutt than I do by using Gmail - however, this is probably because I still point and click when using the web interface.
i WOULD find mutts way perfect, if it actually worked in real live. People NEVER reply on the correct branch, so its sort of useless. you have to crawl the entire tree anyway to find the responses you want to read. On the other hand, gmail thinks conversations never branch, which is just as wrong. -- Arvid Asgaard Technologies
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 09:09:55PM +0100, Arvid Picciani wrote:
Antony Jepson wrote:
On 2009-11-17, Patrick Brisbin wrote:
In gmail's web interface a thread is vertical, sorted by time. However here in mutt, I can see that I've replied to you in our own little thread branch.
I definitely prefer the proper threading available in Mutt. I often find myself navigating through my email more quickly using Mutt than I do by using Gmail - however, this is probably because I still point and click when using the web interface.
i WOULD find mutts way perfect, if it actually worked in real live. People NEVER reply on the correct branch, so its sort of useless. you have to crawl the entire tree anyway to find the responses you want to read. On the other hand, gmail thinks conversations never branch, which is just as wrong.
I think that is not the problem with mutt. I have been using mutt for some time (about say 5 years). What I think about it is really captured by the Author's quote: All mail clients suck. This one just sucks less. Couple of thinks I like about it is (1) It works on the terminal (yes this is the most important feature for me) (2) Fast (3) not so difficult to configure (4) Can use my favorit editor (emacs) while editing. (5) support for gziped mailbox, encrypted mailbox etc (however not so natura way of doing it) (6) Great thread support (some folks seems to disagree) (7) limiting, searching etc which can be keyboard controlled. etc.. Alipine is also good but I used to hate the pine interface. Regards ppk
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 12:07, Arvid Picciani <aep@exys.org> wrote:
Mutt grows old and still doesn't do threads the way i want. i've tried sup, but find it too early in development. Especcially it is unusable slow.
Can somone recommend another MUA?
thanks
I just saw a link on reddit this morning for "notmuch", a sup-inspired mail reader. Might be worth looking into http://keithp.com/blogs/notmuch/
Daenyth Blank wrote:
I just saw a link on reddit this morning for "notmuch", a sup-inspired mail reader. Might be worth looking into
looks very promising. thanks for sharing. couldnt compile it, but maybe someone less lazy them me can educate that dude that there is something beyond debian. -- Arvid Asgaard Technologies
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 09:11:16PM +0100, Arvid Picciani wrote:
Daenyth Blank wrote:
I just saw a link on reddit this morning for "notmuch", a sup-inspired mail reader. Might be worth looking into
looks very promising. thanks for sharing. couldnt compile it, but
Make sure you have smbclient and community/xapian-core installed Patch the Makefile (you don't need to run ./configure) then make. --- Makefile 2009-11-17 21:36:47.000000000 +0100 +++ ../Makefile 2009-11-17 21:36:03.000000000 +0100 @@ -4,14 +4,14 @@ # Additional flags that we will append to whatever the user set. # These aren't intended for the user to manipulate. -extra_cflags = `pkg-config --cflags glib-2.0 gmime-2.4 talloc` +extra_cflags = `pkg-config --cflags glib-2.0 gmime-2.4` extra_cxxflags = `xapian-config --cxxflags` # Now smash together user's values with our extra values override CFLAGS += $(WARN_FLAGS) $(extra_cflags) override CXXFLAGS += $(WARN_FLAGS) $(extra_cflags) $(extra_cxxflags) -override LDFLAGS += `pkg-config --libs glib-2.0 gmime-2.4 talloc` \ +override LDFLAGS += -ltalloc `pkg-config --libs glib-2.0 gmime-2.4` \ `xapian-config --libs` # Include our local Makfile.local first so that its first target is # default
Alessandro Doro wrote:
Patch the Makefile (you don't need to run ./configure) then make.
--- Makefile 2009-11-17 21:36:47.000000000 +0100 +++ ../Makefile 2009-11-17 21:36:03.000000000 +0100 @@ -4,14 +4,14 @@
hey that compiled. thanks. i didn't realize it has a makefile despite failed configure. -- Arvid Asgaard Technologies
Daenyth Blank wrote:
I just saw a link on reddit this morning for "notmuch", a sup-inspired mail reader. Might be worth looking into
well its really "not much". i wouldnt consider this a mua. its more a search engine for muas. a pretty decent one though. maybe i should build my own mua on top of that. -- Arvid Asgaard Technologies
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Arvid Picciani <aep@exys.org> wrote:
Daenyth Blank wrote:
I just saw a link on reddit this morning for "notmuch", a sup-inspired mail reader. Might be worth looking into
well its really "not much". i wouldnt consider this a mua. its more a search engine for muas. a pretty decent one though. maybe i should build my own mua on top of that.
Just write a vim plugin :)
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 09:56:59AM -0600, Aaron Griffin wrote:
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Arvid Picciani <aep@exys.org> wrote:
Daenyth Blank wrote:
I just saw a link on reddit this morning for "notmuch", a sup-inspired mail reader. Might be worth looking into
well its really "not much". i wouldnt consider this a mua. its more a search engine for muas. a pretty decent one though. maybe i should build my own mua on top of that.
Just write a vim plugin :)
+3! --
vlad (2009-11-18 18:47):
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 09:56:59AM -0600, Aaron Griffin wrote:
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Arvid Picciani <aep@exys.org> wrote:
Daenyth Blank wrote:
I just saw a link on reddit this morning for "notmuch", a sup-inspired mail reader. Might be worth looking into
well its really "not much". i wouldnt consider this a mua. its more a search engine for muas. a pretty decent one though. maybe i should build my own mua on top of that.
Just write a vim plugin :)
+3!
Yes, someone please do. It would be fun!
On 11/17/2009 07:07 PM, Arvid Picciani wrote:
Mutt grows old and still doesn't do threads the way i want. i've tried sup, but find it too early in development. Especcially it is unusable slow.
Can somone recommend another MUA?
thanks
you could try thunderbird. thunderbird 3 which is now beta is very nice compared with thunderbid2. -- Ionut
Ionut Biru wrote:
On 11/17/2009 07:07 PM, Arvid Picciani wrote:
Mutt grows old and still doesn't do threads the way i want. i've tried sup, but find it too early in development. Especcially it is unusable slow.
Can somone recommend another MUA?
thanks
you could try thunderbird. thunderbird 3 which is now beta is very nice compared with thunderbid2.
i'm using it right now because sup broke and i'm to lazy to resetup mutt. It's HORRIBLE. Its quick to setup and was able to send email quickly, but its nowhere near comfortable and never will be. - It can't open attachments. You get that defect gnome box and the only option is download and "open with", which leads to another defect gnome box that lets you open arbitary files, then it crashes. awesome. - the imap support is crippled. it doesnt recognise subfolders at all. How do people windows people use imap? like pop? - you can't kill threads. - But that doesnt matter since they don't bump anyway. - It responds to the sender despite the mail clearly has a list header. - it does ugly blue bars instead of just > for indent. Oh sorry, not ugly,i mean shiny shiny shiny vista look! *claps hands like a retard* - it tries to be smart and spamprotect me against status reports from my own machine. oh right, windows doesn't have cron. - it's dead ugly. yeah educate me that gnome has a setting, dude i dont have windows. - printing doesnt work, that weird windows gui dialog only has "Postscript/Default" and if you click "print" basicly nothing happens. - it autocorrects me when i type an email address and enters someone i didnt intent to address. - it requires a mouse - whatever the fuck the keys "1234" do, its dead annoying when i accidently press them (alt+1234 is my WM) - no option to save mail to drafts, but a draft folder. what the? K Windows K Live K Mail and Gnome Windows Dissolution are around the same quality. However i have to grant them one positive side: i was able to write a mail without actually reading a manual, which is good if you just broke your system and are in a hurry or something. On the other hand that's propably because i had to setup a couple of failbirds for coworkers with windows machines. -- Arvid Asgaard Technologies
On Tuesday 17 November 2009 11:07:08 and regarding:
Mutt grows old and still doesn't do threads the way i want. i've tried sup, but find it too early in development. Especcially it is unusable slow.
Can somone recommend another MUA?
thanks
I've used about all of them from plain mailx to Thunderbird with all the bells and whistles. It is really a find one you like issue. As long as you aren't one of the nutballs that likes to compile C programs from within your mail reader, then any of the current generation mailers will do. I always hated kmail, but when I was doing the kde 4.3 beta stuff I forced myself to use it for purposes of testing kontact and korganizer with groupware integration -- and against my will, it really grew on me. All opinion aside, there are some excellent technical features built in to kmail that I haven't found anywere else. Thunderbird - used it for years, still maintain a "master copy" of important emails in it, but I hate to admit it -- kmail has it beat in UI efficiency. I've just used evolution a couple of times, so I don't know enough to comment on it. I have it configured in my gnome desktop under my theory of (use the native tools - dummy), but I just can't tell you more right now. Alpine - if you are working from the cli works great, full featured and supports gpg encryption. Until I figured out relay hosts in postfix, I used pine/alpine all the time for email when I was connecting from outside my ISP's network. There are a lot of good packages out there, you just have to find the one that fits your tastes and needs. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com
Mutt grows old and still doesn't do threads the way i want. i've tried sup, but find it too early in development. Especcially it is unusable slow.
Can somone recommend another MUA?
There's also Moziila Raindrop https://mozillalabs.com/raindrop/2009/10/22/introducing-raindrop/ -- damjan
participants (22)
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Aaron Griffin
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Alessandro Doro
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Alexandr Bashmakov
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Antony Jepson
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Arvid Picciani
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Daenyth Blank
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Damjan Georgievski
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David C. Rankin
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Dieter Plaetinck
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Guilherme M. Nogueira
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Ionut Biru
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Jeroen Op 't Eynde
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Marc Deop i Argemí
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Myles Green
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Patrick Brisbin
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Pierre Chapuis
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Piyush P Kurur
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Rogutės Sparnuotos
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Sergej Pupykin
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Shridhar Daithankar
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vlad
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Xavier