On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:20:06 +0100, Arvid Picciani wrote:

Sergej Pupykin wrote:

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Arvid Picciani wrote:

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Mutt grows old and still doesn't do threads the way i want. i've tried sup, but find it too early in development. Especcially it is unusable slow.

Can somone recommend another MUA?

thanks

emacs/gnus emacs/wanderlust ?

humm.. i didn't know emacs has... oh well i should have known, should i? :D

thanks.

I use Alpine when working from console, it has some thread support. For the rest of the time, I'm happy with Opera doing the job. -- Jeroen Op 't Eynde jeroen@xprsyrslf.be http://xprsyrslf.be Ps: Check the new design for my website: XprsYrslf.be

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Xavier wrote:

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Arvid Picciani wrote:

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Mutt grows old and still doesn't do threads the way i want. i've tried sup, but find it too early in development. Especcially it is unusable slow.

Can somone recommend another MUA?

Lately I realized I have become way too addicted of the gmail interface, and in particular the way it handles threads (but not only). I am scared I cannot switch back to any real client, which sucks. It would a better way to handle my two accounts :P

I can agree with you here. I really hope someone decides to make a good MUA that acts like gmail (sup is close, but not the same)

On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:01:31 -0800 Myles Green wrote:

I've been using Claws-Mail [1] since forever and have been happily using it with Gmail as well as my ISP account.

[1] http://claws-mail.org/

claws is cool indeed. i like the ability to view html mail (for newsletters and such). i just hoped it was more configurable (e.g. per-account keybindings so i could have single-key keybindings to delete mails when i'm in my news/mailinglists/.. folder) Dieter

On Tuesday 17 November 2009 19:06:18 Xavier wrote:

Lately I realized I have become way too addicted of the gmail interface, and in particular the way it handles threads

Would you mind to explain what is addicting you? I specially *dislike* the way gmail puts all the replies at the same level, just to take one example out of my head. Damnshock

I thought he was talking about how gmail only has one level for each conversation and some MUA have more gmail keeps a list of mails and other ones create a tree of mails branching at each reply that doesn't follow the data sequencing or something like that... -- Guilherme M. Nogueira "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Patrick Brisbin wrote:

On 11/17/09 at 01:13pm, Aaron Griffin wrote:

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On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Marc Deop i Argemí wrote:

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On Tuesday 17 November 2009 19:06:18 Xavier wrote:

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Lately I realized I have become way too addicted of the gmail interface, and in particular the way it handles threads

Would you mind to explain what is addicting you?

I specially *dislike* the way gmail puts all the replies at the same level, just to take one example out of my head.

My girlfriend hates the exact same thing. That's one of the things I love about it.

Think about it this way: blog comments, forum posts, instant messages, and (some) phone text messages work this way - your messages and other people's messages are all displayed together, because it's a "conversation". I've never seen an IM client that doesn't display what I write. Why should email be different?

I understand seeing your own replies as a benefit (could be solved with set record = [Gmail]/INBOX in muttrc). But I believe he meant the branching.

In gmail's web interface a thread is vertical, sorted by time. However here in mutt, I can see that I've replied to you in our own little thread branch.

I like this better. Personally, with the proper sort, sort_aux, and record settings in muttrc, I don't see how gmail's got anything on mutt in the realm of threading.

That's just me though :) to each their own.

Aha, so this is the same as the "threaded vs nested comments" when it comes to web page commenting. As far as I know, that's a holy war no one will ever win.

Le Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:23:25 -0600, Aaron Griffin a écrit :

Aha, so this is the same as the "threaded vs nested comments" when it comes to web page commenting. As far as I know, that's a holy war no one will ever win.

Strange that you like Gmail-style but the comments on your own blog are nested ;) Otherwise, I am also searching for something a console application that could efficiently replace claws-mail (because I would like to use it through SSH and I don't like -X and the like) but I haven't found any for now. The best one I've tried is sup but its (and gmail's) model doesn't work well with mutiple mailoxes. I have seven, and I want to keep using all of them for receiving *and* sending messages, as they serve different purposes. Notmuch looks promising and I could maybe build a nice interface on top of it if I had more time / fewer projects / was less lazy... -- catwell

On 2009-11-17, Patrick Brisbin wrote:

In gmail's web interface a thread is vertical, sorted by time. However here in mutt, I can see that I've replied to you in our own little thread branch.

I definitely prefer the proper threading available in Mutt. I often find myself navigating through my email more quickly using Mutt than I do by using Gmail - however, this is probably because I still point and click when using the web interface. -- Sincerely, Antony Jepson / / GPG Key: 0xFA10ED80

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 09:09:55PM +0100, Arvid Picciani wrote:

Antony Jepson wrote:

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On 2009-11-17, Patrick Brisbin wrote:

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In gmail's web interface a thread is vertical, sorted by time. However here in mutt, I can see that I've replied to you in our own little thread branch.

I definitely prefer the proper threading available in Mutt. I often find myself navigating through my email more quickly using Mutt than I do by using Gmail - however, this is probably because I still point and click when using the web interface.

i WOULD find mutts way perfect, if it actually worked in real live. People NEVER reply on the correct branch, so its sort of useless. you have to crawl the entire tree anyway to find the responses you want to read. On the other hand, gmail thinks conversations never branch, which is just as wrong.

I think that is not the problem with mutt. I have been using mutt for some time (about say 5 years). What I think about it is really captured by the Author's quote: All mail clients suck. This one just sucks less. Couple of thinks I like about it is (1) It works on the terminal (yes this is the most important feature for me) (2) Fast (3) not so difficult to configure (4) Can use my favorit editor (emacs) while editing. (5) support for gziped mailbox, encrypted mailbox etc (however not so natura way of doing it) (6) Great thread support (some folks seems to disagree) (7) limiting, searching etc which can be keyboard controlled. etc.. Alipine is also good but I used to hate the pine interface. Regards ppk

Daenyth Blank wrote:

I just saw a link on reddit this morning for "notmuch", a sup-inspired mail reader. Might be worth looking into

http://keithp.com/blogs/notmuch/

looks very promising. thanks for sharing. couldnt compile it, but maybe someone less lazy them me can educate that dude that there is something beyond debian. -- Arvid Asgaard Technologies

On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Arvid Picciani wrote:

Daenyth Blank wrote:

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I just saw a link on reddit this morning for "notmuch", a sup-inspired mail reader. Might be worth looking into

http://keithp.com/blogs/notmuch/

well its really "not much".  i wouldnt consider this a mua. its more a search engine for muas. a pretty decent one though. maybe i should build my own mua on top of that.

Just write a vim plugin :)

vlad (2009-11-18 18:47):

On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 09:56:59AM -0600, Aaron Griffin wrote:

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On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Arvid Picciani wrote:

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Daenyth Blank wrote:

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I just saw a link on reddit this morning for "notmuch", a sup-inspired mail reader. Might be worth looking into

http://keithp.com/blogs/notmuch/

well its really "not much".  i wouldnt consider this a mua. its more a search engine for muas. a pretty decent one though. maybe i should build my own mua on top of that.

Just write a vim plugin :)

+3!

Yes, someone please do. It would be fun!

Ionut Biru wrote:

On 11/17/2009 07:07 PM, Arvid Picciani wrote:

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Mutt grows old and still doesn't do threads the way i want. i've tried sup, but find it too early in development. Especcially it is unusable slow.

Can somone recommend another MUA?

thanks

you could try thunderbird. thunderbird 3 which is now beta is very nice compared with thunderbid2.

i'm using it right now because sup broke and i'm to lazy to resetup mutt. It's HORRIBLE. Its quick to setup and was able to send email quickly, but its nowhere near comfortable and never will be. - It can't open attachments. You get that defect gnome box and the only option is download and "open with", which leads to another defect gnome box that lets you open arbitary files, then it crashes. awesome. - the imap support is crippled. it doesnt recognise subfolders at all. How do people windows people use imap? like pop? - you can't kill threads. - But that doesnt matter since they don't bump anyway. - It responds to the sender despite the mail clearly has a list header. - it does ugly blue bars instead of just > for indent. Oh sorry, not ugly,i mean shiny shiny shiny vista look! *claps hands like a retard* - it tries to be smart and spamprotect me against status reports from my own machine. oh right, windows doesn't have cron. - it's dead ugly. yeah educate me that gnome has a setting, dude i dont have windows. - printing doesnt work, that weird windows gui dialog only has "Postscript/Default" and if you click "print" basicly nothing happens. - it autocorrects me when i type an email address and enters someone i didnt intent to address. - it requires a mouse - whatever the fuck the keys "1234" do, its dead annoying when i accidently press them (alt+1234 is my WM) - no option to save mail to drafts, but a draft folder. what the? K Windows K Live K Mail and Gnome Windows Dissolution are around the same quality. However i have to grant them one positive side: i was able to write a mail without actually reading a manual, which is good if you just broke your system and are in a hurry or something. On the other hand that's propably because i had to setup a couple of failbirds for coworkers with windows machines. -- Arvid Asgaard Technologies