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Hi,
I have received complaints about the domain name (loli.forsale) used by
your mirror. Apparently not everybody shares your humour and some people find the domain to be offensive. Consequently this reflects badly on our image.
Please switch the mirror to an alternative domain.
I have removed listings of the domain in question. I will add your mirror
again once it uses an acceptable domain name.
Thanks for your understanding, Florian
Dear Florian Pritz, Thank you for bringing to my attention the plight of the young maiden by the username of lemma to remove the domain from the official public list of mirrors Arch Linux maintains as to not offend her friends, who I assume contribute a lot for the Arch Linux project. I am sure a lot of time was invested during the investigation for formal complaints, and a lot of work needed to be done to ensure the professional image of Arch in the F.L.O.S.S. community could be maintained. The last thing we want is to offend anyone, let alone longtime user who's read our mailing list and IRC logs be scared of what a server or distro is named for, instead of what the code instructs a machine to do. So I respect the decision to inform me before any action was taken to remedy the situation in a prompt manner. Because of this respect, I have a question I would like answered if you could be so kind to ponder for me:
What does it take to remove all forms of free speech, before it doesn't matter to anyone at all?
Please, do ponder that. Take your time. Don't worry about me, and the ISP I'm building in Portugal to maintain Free Software projects, and users with the same kind of principle. Heed no attention to the time I dedicated to not only host the servers at the ISP, but the expenses on my behalf to maintain them even against some of the most demanding of jobs, like working for the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children. Please don't worry about _me_, and the valuable time it took me find a representative to formally reply on my behalf as professionally as possible (I have autism, my response would have been incoherent if not for the professional help). Worry about the users that will be eventually be banned because their thoughts offended someone they do not know. For them alone will judge how a distro is seen.
My only hope, if possible, would be if lemma could contact me instead, and asked why the domain exists in the first place, instead of demand that it be removed from a list of alternative mirrors she could have gotten the same software from. Plenty of other mirrors could be _offensive_ to anyone else, but mines had to be the one to offend someone the most.
So with that hope in mind, I ask one favor, even if my domain should get barred from arch forever:
Could you keep a list of alternative domains not deemed safe for work, but still mirrors for Arch?
Imagine if others were to host Arch, let's say on an OpenNic domain, or an onion address, would those get deemed Not Safe Work too? Maybe I'll register CIAloves2.divideandconqu.er to make it more palatable.
Have a pleasurable understanding, Alucard
Dear Florian Pritz, Thank you for bringing to my attention the plight of the young maiden by the username of lemma to remove the domain from the official public list of mirrors Arch Linux maintains as to not offend her friends, who I assume contribute a lot for the Arch Linux project. I am sure a lot of time was invested during the investigation for formal complaints, and a lot of work needed to be done to ensure the professional image of Arch in the F.L.O.S.S. community could be maintained. The last thing we want is to offend anyone, let alone longtime user who's read our mailing list and IRC logs be scared of what a server or distro is named for, instead of what the code instructs a machine to do. So I respect the decision to inform me before any action was taken to remedy the situation in a prompt manner. Because of this respect, I have a question I would like answered if you could be so kind to ponder for me:
What does it take to remove all forms of free speech, before it doesn't matter to anyone at all?
Please, do ponder that. Take your time. Don't worry about me, and the ISP I'm building in Portugal to maintain Free Software projects, and users with the same kind of principle. Heed no attention to the time I dedicated to not only host the servers at the ISP, but the expenses on my behalf to maintain them even against some of the most demanding of jobs, like working for the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children. Please don't worry about _me_, and the valuable time it took me find a representative to formally reply on my behalf as professionally as possible (I have autism, my response would have been incoherent if not for the professional help). Worry about the users that will be eventually be banned because their thoughts offended someone they do not know. For them alone will judge how a distro is seen.
My only hope, if possible, would be if lemma could contact me instead, and asked why the domain exists in the first place, instead of demand that it be removed from a list of alternative mirrors she could have gotten the same software from. Plenty of other mirrors could be _offensive_ to anyone else, but mines had to be the one to offend someone the most.
So with that hope in mind, I ask one favor, even if my domain should get barred from arch forever:
Could you keep a list of alternative domains not deemed safe for work, but still mirrors for Arch?
Imagine if others were to host Arch, let's say on an OpenNic domain, or an onion address, would those get deemed Not Safe Work too? Maybe I'll register CIAloves2.divideandconqu.er to make it more palatable.
Have a pleasurable understanding, Alucard
I for one would download all my shit from cute loli mirror. Triggered feminists have no place on the free internet, let them go back to their censored safe spaces. Thanks for your attention.
Hi Midov, Alucard,
On 25 Jul 2017, at 08:11, Midov midov@midov.pl wrote:
Dear Florian Pritz,
<snip>
What does it take to remove all forms of free speech, before it doesn't matter to anyone at all?
This is not about free speech.
As far as I understand, you are free to host Arch Linux material on your server under whatever domain you feel like. That is as far as free speech goes. The decision by the Arch Linux project (through Florian) was to stop listing your server, which would imply a certain affiliation. That is not about free speech, it’s a decision by a non-governmental entity. They have the right (legally and ethically, imho) to decide whom to affiliate with, irrelevant of the reason.
This is a move that was borne from a concern for the reputation of the project. You seem to value “teh lulz” high, which is your right. Florian valued the reputation of the project higher than your right to have a goofily named mirror on the official list. I agree. And I’m not sure why that is such a problem.
<snip>
Could you keep a list of alternative domains not deemed safe for work, but still mirrors for Arch?
Imagine if others were to host Arch, let's say on an OpenNic domain, or an onion address, would those get deemed Not Safe Work too? Maybe I'll register CIAloves2.divideandconqu.er to make it more palatable.
How edgy...
I for one would download all my shit from cute loli mirror. Triggered feminists have no place on the free internet, let them go back to their censored safe spaces. Thanks for your attention.
Then go on, add this mirror to your config. Nobody asks you or them not to use this domain.
This is not about feminism, free speech or safe spaces. This is about protecting the reputation of a project trying to project a certain amount of professionalism. And to be honest, I feel a little tired of these discussions trying to use free speech as a shield to waste everyone’s time just because they feel their little jokes deserve wide-spread attention.
TL;DR: A non-governmental project has every right to associate with whatever entities they want. Florian felt that loli.forsale is a domain that does not represent the professionalism they would like to portray. Thus it was removed.
I will answer replies, but I will no longer post about this topic to this list, as I feel it would be spam.
Cheers, Philip Stark
Oh wow, did we just ban a mirror because of its joke domain? That's 10/10 professionalism indeed.
On 西元2017年07月25日 14:53, Philip Stark wrote:
Hi Midov, Alucard,
On 25 Jul 2017, at 08:11, Midov midov@midov.pl wrote:
Dear Florian Pritz,
<snip> >> What does it take to remove all forms of free speech, before it >> doesn't >> matter to anyone at all? >> This is not about free speech.
As far as I understand, you are free to host Arch Linux material on your server under whatever domain you feel like. That is as far as free speech goes. The decision by the Arch Linux project (through Florian) was to stop listing your server, which would imply a certain affiliation. That is not about free speech, it’s a decision by a non-governmental entity. They have the right (legally and ethically, imho) to decide whom to affiliate with, irrelevant of the reason.
This is a move that was borne from a concern for the reputation of the project. You seem to value “teh lulz” high, which is your right. Florian valued the reputation of the project higher than your right to have a goofily named mirror on the official list. I agree. And I’m not sure why that is such a problem.
<snip> >> Could you keep a list of alternative domains not deemed safe for >> work, but >> still mirrors for Arch? >> >> >> >> Imagine if others were to host Arch, let's say on an OpenNic domain, >> or an >> onion address, would those get deemed Not Safe Work too? >> Maybe I'll register CIAloves2.divideandconqu.er to make it more >> palatable. >> How edgy...
I for one would download all my shit from cute loli mirror. Triggered feminists have no place on the free internet, let them go back to their censored safe spaces. Thanks for your attention.
Then go on, add this mirror to your config. Nobody asks you or them not to use this domain.
This is not about feminism, free speech or safe spaces. This is about protecting the reputation of a project trying to project a certain amount of professionalism. And to be honest, I feel a little tired of these discussions trying to use free speech as a shield to waste everyone’s time just because they feel their little jokes deserve wide-spread attention.
TL;DR: A non-governmental project has every right to associate with whatever entities they want. Florian felt that loli.forsale is a domain that does not represent the professionalism they would like to portray. Thus it was removed.
I will answer replies, but I will no longer post about this topic to this list, as I feel it would be spam.
Cheers, Philip Stark
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