On Fri 25 Jun 2010 09:18 +1000, Allan McRae wrote:
On 25/06/10 02:58, Loui Chang wrote:
On Thu 24 Jun 2010 18:28 +0200, Cedric Staniewski wrote:
On 17.06.2010 17:09, Loui Chang wrote:
On Fri 18 Jun 2010 00:30 +1000, Allan McRae wrote:
I think I have found the issue here. We obviously have a NOPASSWD entry in our sudoers file so "sudo -l" does not require a password.
So the bug is confirmed. However the fix is not fully functional as if I have sudo installed but can not use it for pacman, then I can no longer fall back to using "su -c". I'd choose excess password typing over functionality loss.
Why not just take sudo and asroot out of the equation and treat makepkg as a real non-handholding executable?
I'd like to add that "sudo -l" was never meant as hand-holding. The intention was to support pacman-wrappers/replacements that aren't supposed to be run as root because they have their own logic to call pacman as root. The most prominent example would be yaourt, I guess. But since this is broken due to the 'su -c' patch, I'm fine with removing it again.
Yeah it just kind of bothers me that makepkg is doing all these auxiliary functions like package installation, uninstallation, and permissions managment. It has lost its focus.
You know that dependency installation etc was a very, very early feature so how can makepkg have "lost its focus"?
You're right. I should say that it lacks focus.
I think those things are better placed in outside scripts (like yaourt). It almost seems like the only thing stopping it from becoming another yaourt is that we've dubbed the AUR as untrusted.
So you use makepkg to update your system?
Seriously, if you are recommending that automatic dependency is removed from makepkg, you need to go away, do some more packaging and then reevaluate your opinion.
Yes I am recommending that it be -moved- from makepkg, but how does that mean I need to go away? I never said that it is unneccessary. I just believe the auxiliary functions should be moved into other scripts. I hardly need to do any packaging to see the flaws in the AUR, aurtools (defunct), and devtools. What makes makepkg the exception? I don't understand how my opinion on the design of the tools would be so dramatically changed whether I've made 10 packages, or 100. At least you could say "patches welcome". I guess that wouldn't be of much use though, because you've already completely dismissed my comments. Sorry. I didn't mean to offend your own opinions.