[arch-dev-public] [signoff] man-db 2.5.3-2 replacing man

[Aaron Griffin]

On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Aaron Griffin <aaronmgriffin at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Andreas Radke <a.radke at arcor.de> wrote:
>> Am Thu, 19 Feb 2009 15:11:02 -0600
>> schrieb Aaron Griffin <aaronmgriffin at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Eric Bélanger
>>> <snowmaniscool at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Aaron Griffin
>>> > <aaronmgriffin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Xavier <shiningxc at gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Eric Bélanger
>>> >>> <snowmaniscool at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Andreas Radke
>>> >>>> <a.radke at arcor.de> wrote:
>>> >>>>> Am Thu, 19 Feb 2009 07:27:01 -0600
>>> >>>>> schrieb Dan McGee <dpmcgee at gmail.com>:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Don't Andy's and Jan's words here contradict with regard to
>>> >>>>>> creating a man user?
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> -Dan
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> This was my mistake. I had cp'ed the install file from the
>>> >>>>> community pkg and missed make my changes before the commit.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> So a -2 pkg is now up for signoff. I removed the unwanted man
>>> >>>>> user creation. Added a msg for anybody upgrading from 2.5.3-1
>>> >>>>> and earlier to remove the user and change permission on the db
>>> >>>>> dir. The cronjob runs in quiet mode now. Added a backup array
>>> >>>>> for its config file. Now it should be ready to move.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Anything else to improve?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> -Andy
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I haven't tried the -2 pkg yet , but I noticed that with man-db I
>>> >>>> don't have coloured man pages anymore when using 'less' as the
>>> >>>> pager. To get coloured man pages, I need to use 'most' as pager.
>>> >>>> Is there anyone else who has this problem? It might be caused by
>>> >>>> a lack of a feature in man-db (I can't see why it would be the
>>> >>>> case) or a config issue. I haven't spent much time looking it up
>>> >>>> as it's a minor thing and works with 'most' although I would
>>> >>>> prefer 'less'.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Eric
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/9130#comment31955
>>> >>>
>>> >>> If man-db becomes the default man reader, should we use most as
>>> >>> the default pager, or export GROFF_NO_SGR=1 by default?
>>> >>
>>> >> Can you find what this affects? Added a profile.d script to export
>>> >> this might not be a bad idea, but it's not exactly a good idea
>>> >> either. most as a default pager is probably not a good idea.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > I was thinking the same about using a profile script. Maybe that
>>> > variable can be set in the config file: etc/man_db.conf
>>>
>>> Adding -c to the TROFF and NROFF settings in man_db.conf fixes this
>>>
>>
>> I'd like to leave the package plain upstream. Maybe we can put this
>> into a wiki page where we also write down how man-pages have to be
>> encoded and where to put.
>
> Hmm, we ship modified config files for a lot of things (the "sane
> defaults" rationale). This one seems cryptic enough to boggle most
> people. It's not like there's a "turn_color_on = yes" setting... it's
> a command line arg to groff, which most people haven't heard of... to
> me it seems more beneficial to do it at the package level and we end
> up with groff output as close to what we got with the 'man' package as
> we can get.
>
> I'll log a bug with upstream for this one

Apparently Debian disables SGR output the same way we do some
character translations in the groff package:

The following is in /usr/share/groff/site-tmac/{man,mdoc}.local

if n \{\
. \" Debian: Disable the use of SGR (ANSI colour) escape sequences by
. \" grotty.
. if '\V[GROFF_SGR]'' \
. output x X tty: sgr 0
.\}

We could do the same, considering we already make additions to the
tmac files - would anyone be against this?