[arch-dev-public] Moving systemd v42 to [extra]

Stéphane Gaudreault stephane at archlinux.org
Thu Feb 9 09:57:30 EST 2012

Le 2012-02-09 09:29, Dave Reisner a écrit :
> Hi all,
> Since the v38 release of systemd, the infamous journal has been
> implemented, but stability has been somewhat lacking. Between v38 and
> v41, some of you might have noticed that I've been keeping systemd in
> [testing].
> As of v41, most of the concerns have been addressed, but there's still a
> few minor annoyances that I expect to see fixed for v42. Assuming this
> is true, I'll be moving systemd into [extra].
> What does this mean for people who don't use systemd?
> - Nothing. It means absolutely nothing at all. You can go about your
>    daily lives and you will see zero impact from this change. Your
>    significant other(s), children, and pets are all safe. Nothing will be
>    kicked or set on fire.
> - You don't need to read the rest of this email.
> What does this mean for people who uses systemd?
> - New toys! systemd-cat, systemd-cgtop, systemd-journalctl. If you want
>    a full list of features and bugfixes, I suggest checking out the NEWS
>    file [1] in the git repo.
> - With the journal enabled (and it is enabled by default), you no longer
>    need to run a syslog daemon (i.e. syslog-ng or rsyslog). The journal,
>    by default, writes to /run/systemd/journal (meaning logs will poof on
>    reboot). If you want to keep your logs, simply create
>    /var/log/journal. If you really want to keep using a syslog daemon,
>    you must tell it to read from /run/systemd/journal/socket, NOT
>    /dev/log.
> - systemadm has been split off to a separate repo (upstream). I've added
>    systemd-ui-git to the AUR. If there's enough popularity, I'll add
>    a systemd-ui package to community.
> - Nothing is happening to systemd-arch-units and systemd-initscripts.
>    These packages are staying in [community]. The über-idealist long term
>    plan for both of these packages is (still) that they go away
>    (functionality merged in respective upstreams).
> In addition, I'll be introducing a package which conflicts with sysvinit
> and depends on systemd which merely replaces the binaries that sysvinit
> provides (init, telinit, reboot, shutdown, etc) with systemd equivalents
> (symlinks to systemctl). This won't be a requirement of anyone, but
> it'll make things a little cleaner for those of us who have already
> ditched initscripts and sysvinit.
> Regards,
> Dave
> [1] http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/tree/NEWS
Do we plan to eventually replace our init system by systemd ? Or we will 
provide systemd in [extra] only as an alternative ?

I am not a systemd user, but I have nothig against the move to [extra]. 
Just want to understand the long term plans.



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