[arch-general] xf86-input-evdev conflicts with xorg-server. Remove xorg-server?

[Arvid Picciani]

Aaron,

> Oh shit, seriously? Looks like I'll have to rebuild this as well.

It's your distro. I fail to see the whole reason why you have always 
been in support of KISS and the arch way, but never seem to take action 
to enforce it. Maybe it's something social, which i tend to be ignorant 
towards.

> Serious question: does ANYONE have a keyboard that didn't
> automatically work before this debacle? External keyboard always Just
> Worked without needing to do anything. The same with mice if I used
> /dev/input/mice. Sure, I didn't have a crazy Xtreme Gaming Mouse 9000
> or anything, but it never once failed for me under ordinary usage...

Xorg had and still has decent hardware detection. I do have crazy gaming 
hardware and it isn't correctly detected on ubuntu while it works just 
fine here on my customized arch without hal ever since X.org. Without 
any xorg.conf i might add.
I'm not going to go as far as claiming the hal/dbus thing is social 
engineering, but it sure as hell smells like it.
However, some chatter on their mailing list suggests it actually has a 
positive effect for some users, while the negative effect remains 
undiscovered by the (majority of gnu/linux)~(ubuntu) users.

> 
>> I guess the new way is better, since it seperates the ubuntu aproach from
>> power user systems in a clean way. If my source is reliable (some dude on
>> irc),  X.org will continue to support both versions and seperate them
>> clearly, maybe even with modules.  That'd be _nice_!
> 
> Oh a module would be wonderful

There is hope.  Mostly due to the fact that X is used on embedded 
systems. Beware though, that argument is fading, as embedded devices get 
more powerful and users expectations shift from usable to shiny. Even 
your toaster is going to run kde in the long run. It won't do toasts 
anymore, but at least it has the latest fashionable widgets.

The solution to this political problem is indeed political. Some people 
can't be educated at all, but the average arch user proves to be capable 
of learning the basic unix, kiss, and arch philosophies.

Back to the point. As long as the X.org upstream is reminded, that the 
arch/unix/kiss user base is still worth supporting, i'm positive they 
will continue to support it. In fact we're probably the reason they 
fixed xft? No one else is using it.

I find it hard to argue about the mentioned user base, since its 
supposed favorite distro archlinux, does in fact add downstream patches 
to ADD the very features i am opposing. I assume, for now, removing 
those again via abs is acceptable for most power users, including me and 
you, until someone finally forks arch. You'd be perfectly suited to 
throw the first stone, Aaron.


-- 
Arvid
Asgaard Technologies