[arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

[Aaron Griffin]

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Sven-Hendrik Haase <sh at lutzhaase.com> wrote:
> On 26.10.2009 18:07, Piyush P Kurur wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:40:44AM -0500, Aaron Griffin wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:01 AM,  <hollunder at gmx.at> wrote:
>>>
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>
>>>> So please, next time you call something integration, think beyond the
>>>> bubble. In our little Linux world with limited developer time we need
>>>> real integration, real solutions and still
>>>> freedom of choice.
>>>>
>>> You read my mind.
>>
>> Mine too. I got burnt when after one of the xorg updates few months
>> ago, the mouse and keyboard stopped working. The culprit, xorg
>> unloading the mouse and keyboard drivers and waiting for hal to send
>> some signals to load the appropriate drivers. This I think was
>> ridiculous. Many a time I use X without any windomanager whatsoever
>> mainly for display boards and such stuff. I dont need any PnP here.
>
> In this particular case though, you can just disable hotplugging (see
> http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg_input_hotplugging). Please
> realize that PnP can be a very nice feature for many users. HAL is
> getting deprecated as has already been stated in this thread. Udev is
> slowly taking over more and more tasks from HAL and at some point, HAL
> will only be a wrapper for Udev calls for applications that still use
> the old HAL calls. At least so I hope.

This is true, but it seems trivial to only do the keyboard/mouse
unload junk if hal is alive. I'm sure there's a way to test for this.