[arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

[Sven-Hendrik Haase]

On 26.10.2009 18:07, Piyush P Kurur wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:40:44AM -0500, Aaron Griffin wrote:
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>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:01 AM,  <hollunder at gmx.at> wrote:
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>>> So please, next time you call something integration, think beyond the
>>> bubble. In our little Linux world with limited developer time we need
>>> real integration, real solutions and still
>>> freedom of choice.
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>> You read my mind.
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> Mine too. I got burnt when after one of the xorg updates few months
> ago, the mouse and keyboard stopped working. The culprit, xorg
> unloading the mouse and keyboard drivers and waiting for hal to send
> some signals to load the appropriate drivers. This I think was
> ridiculous. Many a time I use X without any windomanager whatsoever
> mainly for display boards and such stuff. I dont need any PnP here.
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> Regards
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> ppk
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In this particular case though, you can just disable hotplugging (see
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg_input_hotplugging). Please
realize that PnP can be a very nice feature for many users. HAL is
getting deprecated as has already been stated in this thread. Udev is
slowly taking over more and more tasks from HAL and at some point, HAL
will only be a wrapper for Udev calls for applications that still use
the old HAL calls. At least so I hope.

-- Sven-Hendrik