[arch-general] First Time Arch w/ Gnome Installed

[Ng Oon-Ee]

On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 16:43 -0600, Burlynn Corlew Jr wrote:
> 2010/1/27 Ng Oon-Ee <ngoonee at gmail.com>
> 
> > On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 12:55 -0700, Brendan Long wrote:
> > > On 01/26/2010 06:37 PM, Carlos Williams wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Andrea Fagiani<andfagiani at gmail.com>
> >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> [snip]
> > > >>
> > > > Yeah I will review the Wiki again in more detail. I have never
> > > > installed anything from AUR but assume it's pretty straight forward. I
> > > > will try your suggested packages...
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > >
> > > Installing from the AUR is kind of a pain, I'd suggest that the first
> > > package you get is yaourt. It lets you install directly from the AUR
> > > install of downloading individual files and then running makepkg.
> >
> > Bad advise, IMHO. yaourt is a helper, not meant to be a pacman
> > replacement. To Andrea, you should learn to download the PKGBUILD and
> > all accompanying files first (to a directory you have write access to)
> > and how to edit PKGBUILDs and run makepkg. Once you've got passing
> > familiarity with that then using yaourt does save time.
> >
> > Basically, if you start off with yaourt, you're screwed if things break
> > somewhere down the line, since you won't know what's happening behind
> > the scenes, as it were.
> >
> >
> I agree with this a 100%. I do not mind people using automated package
> builders, but you need to be aware of whats going on. The IRC channel
> regularly gets people that have run into exactly this, people being told to
> use yaourt initially then when a build fails they have no idea how to
> troubleshoot. I'm really not convinced automated builders are very k.i.s.s.,
> but we are a binary based distro so I won't get into that.

My concern is not necessarily KISS (its open to interpretation much of
the time) but that in Arch, users MUST know what's going on in their
system, without too much abstraction.