[arch-general] [arch-dev-public] dropping flashplugin x86_64

[Philipp Überbacher]

Excerpts from Caleb Cushing's message of 2010-06-17 04:16:04 +0200:
> On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Ray Rashif <schivmeister at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I simply couldn't get the same elements with the same ease in time,
> > and thus failed to offer a presentation. They decided to stick with
> > Flash, but I kept the multimedia tools within the open-source domain
> > for post-production (simply because they couldn't care less and just
> > needed the end-result). Well, the project is on hold for now so I'll
> > see what kind of progress WebM/HTML5 has made up to this point.
> 
> yeah that sounds about right.
> 
> as of right now I don't think <video> is ready. however I'm all for
> many of the other improvements coming in html5 and I wish people would
> focus on rolling those out.

Why is the tag not ready?

> Again, I don't care if something is open source if it doesn't work at
> the same level. You can claim security all you want... but plenty of
> bugs security and not to be had in all software.
> 
> I tried html5 again on youtube, my video took several minutes to load
> compared to flash which works nearly instantly.Given since I'm on
> chromium 5 I don't think it was a webm video... so that may matter...
> but if this is what html5 is going to be like... not sure I want it.
> 
> as far as mplayer-plugin settings... if I have to spend time
> configuring it to make it work decently then it's too much work, I
> don't have to do that with flash.
> 
> In any sense I think flash works well when you use it in the right
> scenario's, html5 etc work well when used in their right scenarios.
> Don't use flash for a slideshow. Don't try to use js/canvas for a game
> it's just not their yet. WebM isn't ready to replace flash for video
> though it may be some day.

Flash or some players seem to still be buggy. I recently booted a live
CD to watch a long video, and at some point, out of the blue, it was
simply impossible to seek forward or backward. The Volume controls did
nothing at all. Hurray for flash video?

Have you tried that asteroids game linked in an earlier post in this
thread? IMHO it works surprisingly well.

> If you want to blame the problems of the internet somewhere blame them
> on IE... and maybe soon firefox, who's standards adoption is slowing
> down to where IE is catching up. What we need is standards support,
> and maybe some additions to the standards. I'd love to use all the
> http methods when sending forms, I'd love to be able to use ESI's in
> browsers too (Imagine if you could cache more of a page). I'd love for
> js not to be obnoxiously abused like flash is (if your site doesn't
> work without js it better have a good reason, I hate enabling js to
> read a blog or coment on it).
> 
> flash will die when it's no longer needed or no longer provides
> advantages. That time hasn't come yet.

I agree that js shouldn't be used when it's not necessary, and there are
plenty of problems with js, but the same is true for flash. I rather
have js than flash problems.

These work reasonably well for me with FF:
http://videos.videoonwikipedia.org/
It's not perfect yet, nor are the browsers or codecs, but I don't think
it's worse than flash.


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Regards,
Philipp

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