[arch-general] base stuff (was: Change Arch's default crond)

[Yaro Kasear]

On Wednesday, April 06, 2011 18:13:04 Grigorios Bouzakis wrote:
> Thomas S Hatch <thatch45 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Grigorios Bouzakis 
<grbzks at xsmail.com>wrote:
> >> Thomas S Hatch wrote:
> >> > I am saving the "include SELINUX support in base for a latter date"
> >> > 
> >> > my understanding though is that the stated position of Arch was "no
> >> > systemd"
> >> 
> >> s/was/is/g
> >> 
> >> That is also my understanding in regards to selinux. Although i am not
> >> familiar with "stated positions" about either.
> >> 
> >> PS. Ntp is fine application that will keep your clock synchronised.
> >> It seems to be 5 days off. :)
> > 
> > Yes the systemd topic keeps popping up, right now we don't know
> > if certain upstream changes are going to force Arch into using systemd 
or
> > not.
> 
> I dont think such a topic keeps popping up.
> In fact I dont remember reading a discussion between Arch developers 
about
> it, ever.
> I could probably go on ranting about stuff thats been shoved down users
> mouths the last years for months but its futile and a waste of time.
> 

It was a discussion that popped up here, a debate between users who felt 
replacing sysvinit was completely unneeded to those who seemed to want to 
use systemd for some useless, unneeded feature maybe less than 1% of 
Arch users were going to actually use.

> > As for adding SELinux support in base but keeping it turned off by
> > default, +1
> 
> Although this isnt a vote, mine was for no selinux at all, so its just 1.
> :)

Selinux is another unneeded thing, but even worse is that it practically 
requires a doctorate in computer science to manipulate. Can't deny its 
security, though. +1 to leaving it out of Arch, not that anyone's asking Arch 
to.