[arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Vi package

Marek Otahal markotahal at gmail.com
Thu Feb 10 16:56:36 EST 2011

On Thursday 10 of February 2011 17:59:26 Pierre Schmitz wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 17:52:16 +0100, Jan de Groot wrote:
> > On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 17:24 +0200, Ionuț Bîru wrote:
> >> we did had vi being a stripped vim package in the past. We got rid of
> >> it
> >> because upstream vim started to not helping arch users because "it
> >> was
> >> broken". That impression was given by our users who didn't understand
> >> that python and other crap that vim support is in vim package and not
> >> in vi.
> >> 
> >> now the same situation is now. Some users don't understand that vi is
> >> nvi and what they want is in vim.
> > 
> > I don't think we should go back to a fucked vim package with /etc/virc
> > like we had it in the past. We switched from that to nvi, which fucked
> > up files if they contained unicode stuff (it would just segfault in the
> > middle of a save operation, leaving you with a broken file).
> > After that, we decided to go for busybox, which works fairly well as vi,
> > is maintained, but doesn't do anything that looks like vim.
> > 
> > IMHO vi is totally useless on most systems. I prefer to uninstall it and
> > do ln -s vim /usr/bin/vi instead. Users who complain about vi being too
> > limited should do that too.
> I wonder the same. I cannot imagine why anybody would want to use vi.
> Personally I would not mind if nano was the only interactive editor in
> [core]. But keeping the current busybox vi is also fine.
first, I apologize for off-topic, but i seek help on vim. 
Reading this thread I decided I want to learn how to get more from vim, so I 
started with vimtutor. 
So far I ran into two issues that were incompatible with the vimtutor, 
*) 7G moves you to line 7, I had to do 7gg instead
*) "

        ** To save part of the file, type  v  motion  :w FILENAME **

  1. Move the cursor to this line.
  2. Press  v  and move the cursor to the fifth item below.  Notice that the
     text is highlighted.

  3. Press the  :  character.  At the bottom of the screen  :'<,'> will 

  4. Type  w TEST  , where TEST is a filename that does not exist yet.  Verify
     that you see  :'<,'>w TEST  before you press <ENTER>.

  5. Vim will write the selected lines to the file TEST.  Use  :!dir  or  !ls
     to see it.  Do not remove it yet!  We will use it in the next lesson.
"...this doesn't work for me, I switch to visual mode, after : the '<,'> 
doesn't appear though. 

Can somebody enlighten me, is this behavior
-some config in vim -- where and how can I set it?
-mistakes in the tutorial (could be updated)
-mistakes in vim

Many thanks, mark the vimmer :)

Marek Otahal :o)
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