[arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

[Paul Dann]

Sometimes the most loving thing to do is let someone go through a short, sharp pain in order to avoid a long, drawn out one. Systemd is not evil. You may not like the idea of changing, but it probably will be the best thing for you to do to avoid more pain down the line. No rush, but I reckon the anticipation is accually worse than the switch.

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Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity.

Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> wrote:

On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 16:23 +0200, Jelle van der Waa wrote:
> On 08/14/12 16:06, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 14:51 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
> >> On Tuesday 14 Aug 2012 14:59:43 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 13:45 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
> >>>> and easier for most users to maintain
> >>>
> >>> USERS? I'm a stupid user. I guess you're talking about experts. For
> >>> "USERS" it's hard to follow changes every half year. We stupid users
> >>> simply want to use the computer. We are willing to learn, but we won't
> >>> start from the beginning, every half year.
> >>
> >> Cool, so once you're set up with systemd, you should find it easier to work 
> >> with. As for change, I'm afraid that's inevitable in ArchLinux, because it's 
> >> intended to be a cutting-edge distro. If you don't like the change, you 
> >> really need to consider switching to something less hands-on. I hear that 
> >> OpenSUSE Tumbleweed is a viable rolling-release option. And I think Mint 
> >> Debian Edition is also rolling-release?
> >>
> >> Paul
> > 
> > I'm from Germany, so I started with Suse and I still have an outdated
> > Suse installed. Suse doesn't fit to my needs. I tested Mint and Mint
> > doesn't fit to my needs. Arch did and still does fit to my needs. I just
> > fear that soon Arch won't fit to my needs. I'm not objective, I just
> > care about my needs. This is selfish, I'm aware of this. However, why
> > shouldn't I take care of my needs? I also work on a voluntary basis. I
> > fight for the rights of others, but I also fight for satisfying my
> > needs. That's all.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Ralf
> > 
> > 
> Then maintain/improve the current initscripts...

I don't have the ability to do this. I don't have time to learn this,
since I work on a voluntary basis in other areas. And who knows, even if
I would have the time to learn, perhaps I'm not able to do it.

So again, is "self-responsibility" = "spend all your live time with
setting up Linux only"? Isn't the philosophy of a community that people
have different abilities and that they take care of each other?

Regards,
Ralf