[arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Migration to systemd

Kevin Chadwick ma1l1ists at yahoo.co.uk
Thu Aug 16 15:12:56 EDT 2012


> On Wednesday 15 Aug 2012 18:54:24 Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> > > Forking processes does not copy binaries.
> > 
> > Pulled out of silence for the very very last time.
> > 
> > It copies the parent which is much larger is what I meant. A real
> > problem for embedded where memory fragmentation matters to the point
> > that Google had code written just to handle it. The smaller the device,
> > the greater the issue tends to be.
> 
> I don't think this is true.  If I understand correctly, the code segment of 
> the executable image is shared between forks, meaning that the binary size is 
> irrelevant.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_%28operating_system%29
> 
> Paul

Thanks for the link. I understand a little more. I'm not completely
clear yet but it seems that it is not as significant as I thought for
Android assuming the speed increase of parallelism is greater than
the extra work in COW which may be on slow memory though Google have
made a custom far more memory efficient init than SysV even, so I can't
see it happening.

http://www.netbsd.org/docs/kernel/vfork.html

For deep/true embedded systems with only vfork and no COW it seems
you are right and the simple explanation of vfork is actually inaccurate
these days however the parent has to be blocked to utilise the parents
memory but once the exec has happend which could be quick the parent is
unblocked so maybe systemd could be made compatible with a kind of
parallelism. I guess it would take a lot more work and absolutely
required memory usage would have to be reduced significantly in any
case.


 Lennart said systemd will only ever run on Linux and is only designed
 for a full fledged Fedora but is useful on embedded too. However I
 don't think he realised what level the Linux embedded world could
 expand to.

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