[arch-general] Newbies in Arch [WAS: Suspend seems not to work with nVidia Nouveau driver]

[Jonathan Vasquez]

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Jonathan Vasquez
<jvasquez1011 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Oon-Ee Ng <ngoonee.talk at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Jonathan Vasquez
>> <jvasquez1011 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I've been doing things to attract users to Arch. Whether they are
>>> newbs or not, because I want people to learn. As long as you have
>>> willingness and determination to learn, that is the important thing.
>>> The resources are out there, people just need to look, and I'm willing
>>> to add to those resources.
>>>
>>> You aren't adding anything beneficial by telling others that their
>>> comments are equal to troll statements, when this is clearly not true.
>>
>> Attracting users to Arch is not a stated goal, this has been repeated
>> many times in various fora. Arch is only for a certain type of users,
>> those who are willing and able to learn.
>>
>> I'm not knocking your effort, but a quick glance at those resources
>> you've provided indicate that you're trying to make it very easy to
>> get to using Arch, and I don't think that's beneficial for Arch or its
>> community. There are other distributions for 'easy-to-use', Arch
>> should not be that. Not because of any type of elitism, but because
>> Arch's niche is about control and simplicity, and making it
>> 'newbie-friendly' (whatever that means) would compromise that.
>>
>> Splitting the thread (sorry I use gmail, so it won't split for you
>> guys on mutt or whatever) to reduce the 'corruption' of original
>> thread, not that I think it'll make a difference though.
>
> You are misunderstanding my goals and what I've said.
>
> I said that I'm trying to help people find and use Arch. Whether they
> are expert users from other distros, or they are Noobies who are
> "willing to read documentation". If a person is a noob, that doesn't
> mean that they can't use Arch, they just have to be motivated
> individuals who are willing to seek and learn for themselves. I am
> facilitating resources, documentations, etc, to lower the barrier to
> entry, while at the same time giving information that is in the
> documentation, in a video form.
>
> So we completely agree, the point of Arch, and us, isn't to just go
> around and find noobies that don't want to learn for themselves but
> want others to do the work for them, but to find people that are
> willing to learn, seek for themselves, and contribute back to the
> community. This does not segregate "Noobs who want others to do things
> for them", "Noobs who are willing to be independent and learn for
> themselves", and "Expert users from other Distros who want to learn
> how to use Arch".
>
> --
> Jonathan Vasquez

BTW, If you watch the series I made today to help people who are
willing to learn come and try Arch, I've explicitly explained the Arch
goals, and who it is and isn't for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVx0xOO5tqg @ 1:30.

-- 
Jonathan Vasquez