[arch-general] Newbies in Arch [WAS: Suspend seems not to work with nVidia Nouveau driver]

[Don Juan]

On 01/04/2012 01:04 PM, Jonathan Vasquez wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Don Juan<donjuansjiz at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> On 01/04/2012 08:14 AM, Leonid Isaev wrote:
>>> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 03:25:40 -0500
>>> Jonathan Vasquez<jvasquez1011 at gmail.com>    wrote:
>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> Just because a person didn't go to
>>>> medical school, doesn't mean that they can research and learn anything
>>>> in the field of medicine. That logic is ridiculous, and as we have and
>>>> will experience in our lives, applies towards other areas of life.
>>>>
>>>> Those are my worthless cents as well I suppose :).
>>>>
>>> Please understand that what you are talking about is not research, but an
>>> accumulation of information==noise from dumb bloggers.
>>>
>>> What they teach in medschool is to use your brain, not the collective
>>> knowledge. If you are so confident in your self-diagnosis, just talk to
>>> the
>>> doctor and let him challenge your reasoning -- you'll see that even if
>>> your
>>> conclusion was correct, this was a shear luck.
>>>
>>> Wikipedia may be good for trivial things (diagnosing a running nose in
>>> your
>>> terms) or reading about the comparison between email clients, but is
>>> completely misleading in more sophisiticated problems. This is because
>>> people
>>> who could actually improve it are way to busy / don't care to do so.
>>>
>> Any chance we can all drop this stuff now and maybe share some advice/help
>> on the OP question or other ones on the list currently, I know I would
>> happily take even some flaming now on my battery question :P
> @Don Juan
>
> Lol at your House comment.
>
> @Angel Velasquez
>
> It's ok, I perfectly understand that a person can get confused when
> similar names come up.
> It probably has happened to all of us at least once :).
>
> I also agree that the Linux community repeats the same info over and
> over again, and that it gets
> annoying. That's one of the reasons I was attracted to Arch. Because
> instead of a person having to repeat
> themselves, they could easily just write a well written documentation,
> and send people to read them. While
> at the other end, the asking user could finally find a well written
> document, that would actually be able to help
> them, because it was well written in the first place. It benefits both
> parties. I also do not like to repeat myself,
> and strive to write good documentation once, so that people will
> understand it better. That's one of the reasons why
> I make Youtube videos. Visual learning is a great way to teach
> someone. Especially the people that are too comfortable to read,
> which they will have to get over it.
>
> I don't believe I am more valuable, or more important than anyone
> else. I signed up to these mailing lists about a week ago,
> there is no where to signing up to the Arch mailing list where it says
> "You must bottom post". Some communities top post by default,
> some do inline posting, and some do bottom posting. It's something
> that a person has to learn and adapt to while they are in the
> community.
> If you look at all my posts in the last 3-4+ days, they are all now
> written in bottom-post format. There may be 1 or 2 that slipt since
> I switch between my phone and computer, and I have to disable top
> quotes, etc. Also I didn't pull the "oh look I have more contributions
> then
> you card". If you look at my post, I said that my comments are
> valuable and are not noob-irrelevant-spam-troll like comments because
> I'm an
> actual Arch linux user. Not just some random person. I showed some of
> my contributions so that you can understand that I am an Archer, I am
> a contributing user, and I legitimiately card about the future of Arch
> Linux, therefore my constructive criticism to not just OS design, but
> also
> to Etiquette behavior should be heard (Doesn't have to be followed,
> but at least listened to). That's how democracy works. By listening to
> it's
> citizens. Same goes with the AUR, and when people vote for packages
> for inclusion into the community repo. So I hope I cleared that I
> wasn't trying
> to compare my contributions to anybody else. I'm sure, proud, and
> happy that we have members like Gaetan and you in our community
> because I'm sure
> that you also help, want to continue helping, and love Arch linux just
> as any other Archer.
>
> I don't know how said Arch is the natural replacement for Ubuntu
> either. I did say multiple times, in my videos, and in these posts
> that
> as long as a person is willing to read documentation, that it doesn't
> matter what there starting position is. Doesn't matter if they are a
> noob,
> or a pro user from another Distro or OS. The important thing is that
> they are willing to read the documentation in order to further their
> knowledge.
> So I completely agree with you as well Angel, and it's exactly what
> I'm promoting and have been saying.
>
> I'm glad you have helped a lot of people in this community, and I'm
> sure you will continue to do so. I'm not happy that you or anyone else
> has
> to receive Troll comments. Now I believe that as a person with an
> @archlinux domain in your email, you are not just a regular Archer,
> but you
> of course are an esteemed member in the community. Therefore as a
> person with authority, you have to be a roll model for everyone else.
> I'm not
> saying you have to take crap from anyone, but I am saying that you
> definitely can't be making "troll-like comments". That doesn't look
> good,
> especially when an outsider comes to look at Arch and sees people with
> power trolling on it's users. They will surely leave, no matter how
> noob,
> or pro they are.
>
> You don't have to apologize to me. Drama, and correct etiquette
> behavior are two different things.
>
> Thanks, I will continue to learn :).
>
> @Leonid Isaev
>
> Of course, a person definitely has to use his/her brain when reading
> anything online. That's why I said we have to be careful with what
> we read, and why people need to keep an open mind when they read the
> information and go to speak to their doctors about it. There will most
Or ask for advice from an experienced Archer for clarification on whats 
been read, or the lack of finding something to read in relation to a 
issue, miss configuration due to not grasping something. Or it could 
even boil down to weak google-fu skills on part of the new comer.

But if its something clearly discussed in the Wiki or is something thats 
been answered in the MB archives, most other boards I belong to just 
flat out say nothing. Which with the mind set and wants of other Archers 
would be a good thing. Or posting one of those let me google it for you 
links. I built a quick little one for another board for a COM unit I use.

Anyways no more noise from me on this topic.

> likely be a flaw, and the doctor will need to correct that flaw and
> logic. It's also the doctor's responsability at that point to not act
> arrogantly and try to make the patient feel stupid for them trying to
> self-diagnose themselves. Life's a two way street, and there are
> responsabilities at both ends.
>


Can we tag this [solved]^3 now? ;) lol