[arch-general] An empty /etc/crontab file maybe needed bo be add in to package filesystem.

[Auguste Pop]

2012/3/18 郑文辉(Techlive Zheng) <techlivezheng at gmail.com>:
> 2012/3/18 Auguste Pop <auguste at gmail.com>:
>> On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Auguste Pop <auguste at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 2:00 AM, Leonid Isaev <lisaev at umail.iu.edu> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 19 Feb 2012 07:01:52 +0800
>>>> 郑文辉(Techlive Zheng) <techlivezheng at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 2012/2/19 郑文辉(Techlive Zheng) <techlivezheng at gmail.com>:
>>>>> > I see, I just upgraded to 1.4.8 on 14 Feb 2012, The log must be
>>>>> > generated by an former version of cronie. Now it seems all gone, and I
>>>>> > can't provid the spamed log because I have cleaned them up 2 days ago.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Let's see, if there are spams again, I will post here.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 2012/2/19 Leonid Isaev <lisaev at umail.iu.edu>:
>>>>> >> On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:26:46 +0800
>>>>> >> 郑文辉(Techlive Zheng) <techlivezheng at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> 2012/2/18 Heiko Baums <lists at baums-on-web.de>:
>>>>> >>> > Am Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:25:54 +0800
>>>>> >>> > schrieb 郑文辉(Techlive Zheng) <techlivezheng at gmail.com>:
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> >> Due to cronie doesn't contain an /etc/crontab anymore, there are losts
>>>>> >>> >> of msgs of missing crontab as shown below in errors.log.
>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>> >>> >> > /usr/sbin/crond[1236]: (root) CAN'T OPEN (/etc/crontab): No such
>>>>> >>> >> > file or directory
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > Such an empty /etc/crontab would belong into the package cronie and not
>>>>> >>> > into the package filesystem. It's cronie specific since fcron, which I
>>>>> >>> > use, doesn't need and provide one. The corresponding, but also not
>>>>> >>> > necessary file for fcron would be /etc/fcrontab. And I'm not sure if
>>>>> >>> > such an empty /etc/crontab would affect fcron.
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > If cronie doesn't provide an empty /etc/crontab and doesn't run
>>>>> >>> > without it, it is a bug in cronie.
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > Heiko
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> It runs well,but just spam the error.log and crond.log
>>>>> >>> without /etc/crontab.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Since 1.4.8 cronie doesn't need /etc/crontab... Can you show relevant
>>>>> >> piece of /var/log/crond.log?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> --
>>>>> >> Leonid Isaev
>>>>> >> GnuPG key ID: 164B5A6D
>>>>> >> Key fingerprint: C0DF 20D0 C075 C3F1 E1BE  775A A7AE F6CB 164B 5A6D
>>>>>
>>>>> Still have the problem:
>>>>>
>>>>> Feb 19 06:31:01 vbox02 /usr/sbin/crond[8394]: (root) CAN'T OPEN
>>>>> (/etc/crontab): No such file or directory
>>>>> Feb 19 06:32:01 vbox02 /usr/sbin/crond[8394]: (root) CAN'T OPEN
>>>>> (/etc/crontab): No such file or directory
>>>>
>>>> This is odd... you must have something in /var/spool/cron. Otherwise please
>>>> provide more info because your problem is not easily reproducible.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Leonid Isaev
>>>> GnuPG key ID: 164B5A6D
>>>> Key fingerprint: C0DF 20D0 C075 C3F1 E1BE  775A A7AE F6CB 164B 5A6D
>>>
>>> i have the same problem. i do have a file in /var/spool/cron/, because
>>> i have some user cron jobs to do.
>>>
>>> here's some log from /var/log/crond.log
>>>
>>> Mar 18 18:04:30 pop crontab[8708]: (pop) BEGIN EDIT (pop)
>>> Mar 18 18:04:32 pop crontab[8708]: (pop) REPLACE (pop)
>>> Mar 18 18:04:32 pop crontab[8708]: (pop) END EDIT (pop)
>>> Mar 18 18:05:01 pop /usr/sbin/crond[8619]: (root) CAN'T OPEN
>>> (/etc/crontab): No such file or directory
>>> Mar 18 18:05:01 pop /usr/sbin/crond[8619]: (pop) RELOAD (/var/spool/cron/pop)
>>
>> after some further test, it seems the error only occurs after crontab -e.
>> i think this may be an upstream bug, if upstream says that
>> /etc/crontab is not indispensable.
>> anyway, showing one line of missing file in log is not a big deal. we
>> don't constantly modify our crontab.
>>
>> best regards,
>
> My problem did not occur any more after I delete /var/spoon/cron/root,
> I don't know what exactly cause the problem.

actually, as far as i can see. this message appears only once every
time i edit my crontab. it's not re-occurring. that's why i think this
is not a big issue.

best regards,