[arch-general] An empty /etc/crontab file maybe needed bo be add in to package filesystem.

[郑文辉(Techlive Zheng)]

2012/3/19 Leonid Isaev <lisaev at umail.iu.edu>:
> On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 23:27:34 +0800
> Auguste Pop <auguste at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> 2012/3/18 郑文辉(Techlive Zheng) <techlivezheng at gmail.com>:
>> > 2012/3/18 Auguste Pop <auguste at gmail.com>:
>> >> On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Auguste Pop <auguste at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 2:00 AM, Leonid Isaev <lisaev at umail.iu.edu>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>> On Sun, 19 Feb 2012 07:01:52 +0800
>> >>>> 郑文辉(Techlive Zheng) <techlivezheng at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> 2012/2/19 郑文辉(Techlive Zheng) <techlivezheng at gmail.com>:
>> >>>>> > I see, I just upgraded to 1.4.8 on 14 Feb 2012, The log must be
>> >>>>> > generated by an former version of cronie. Now it seems all gone, and
>> >>>>> > I can't provid the spamed log because I have cleaned them up 2 days
>> >>>>> > ago.
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > Let's see, if there are spams again, I will post here.
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > 2012/2/19 Leonid Isaev <lisaev at umail.iu.edu>:
>> >>>>> >> On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:26:46 +0800
>> >>>>> >> 郑文辉(Techlive Zheng) <techlivezheng at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >>> 2012/2/18 Heiko Baums <lists at baums-on-web.de>:
>> >>>>> >>> > Am Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:25:54 +0800
>> >>>>> >>> > schrieb 郑文辉(Techlive Zheng) <techlivezheng at gmail.com>:
>> >>>>> >>> >
>> >>>>> >>> >> Due to cronie doesn't contain an /etc/crontab anymore, there
>> >>>>> >>> >> are losts of msgs of missing crontab as shown below in
>> >>>>> >>> >> errors.log.
>> >>>>> >>> >>
>> >>>>> >>> >> > /usr/sbin/crond[1236]: (root) CAN'T OPEN (/etc/crontab): No
>> >>>>> >>> >> > such file or directory
>> >>>>> >>> >
>> >>>>> >>> > Such an empty /etc/crontab would belong into the package cronie
>> >>>>> >>> > and not into the package filesystem. It's cronie specific since
>> >>>>> >>> > fcron, which I use, doesn't need and provide one. The
>> >>>>> >>> > corresponding, but also not necessary file for fcron would
>> >>>>> >>> > be /etc/fcrontab. And I'm not sure if such an empty /etc/crontab
>> >>>>> >>> > would affect fcron.
>> >>>>> >>> >
>> >>>>> >>> > If cronie doesn't provide an empty /etc/crontab and doesn't run
>> >>>>> >>> > without it, it is a bug in cronie.
>> >>>>> >>> >
>> >>>>> >>> > Heiko
>> >>>>> >>>
>> >>>>> >>> It runs well,but just spam the error.log and crond.log
>> >>>>> >>> without /etc/crontab.
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> Since 1.4.8 cronie doesn't need /etc/crontab... Can you show
>> >>>>> >> relevant piece of /var/log/crond.log?
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> --
>> >>>>> >> Leonid Isaev
>> >>>>> >> GnuPG key ID: 164B5A6D
>> >>>>> >> Key fingerprint: C0DF 20D0 C075 C3F1 E1BE  775A A7AE F6CB 164B 5A6D
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Still have the problem:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Feb 19 06:31:01 vbox02 /usr/sbin/crond[8394]: (root) CAN'T OPEN
>> >>>>> (/etc/crontab): No such file or directory
>> >>>>> Feb 19 06:32:01 vbox02 /usr/sbin/crond[8394]: (root) CAN'T OPEN
>> >>>>> (/etc/crontab): No such file or directory
>> >>>>
>> >>>> This is odd... you must have something in /var/spool/cron. Otherwise
>> >>>> please provide more info because your problem is not easily
>> >>>> reproducible.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Leonid Isaev
>> >>>> GnuPG key ID: 164B5A6D
>> >>>> Key fingerprint: C0DF 20D0 C075 C3F1 E1BE  775A A7AE F6CB 164B 5A6D
>> >>>
>> >>> i have the same problem. i do have a file in /var/spool/cron/, because
>> >>> i have some user cron jobs to do.
>> >>>
>> >>> here's some log from /var/log/crond.log
>> >>>
>> >>> Mar 18 18:04:30 pop crontab[8708]: (pop) BEGIN EDIT (pop)
>> >>> Mar 18 18:04:32 pop crontab[8708]: (pop) REPLACE (pop)
>> >>> Mar 18 18:04:32 pop crontab[8708]: (pop) END EDIT (pop)
>> >>> Mar 18 18:05:01 pop /usr/sbin/crond[8619]: (root) CAN'T OPEN
>> >>> (/etc/crontab): No such file or directory
>> >>> Mar 18 18:05:01 pop /usr/sbin/crond[8619]: (pop) RELOAD
>> >>> (/var/spool/cron/pop)
>> >>
>> >> after some further test, it seems the error only occurs after crontab -e.
>> >> i think this may be an upstream bug, if upstream says that
>> >> /etc/crontab is not indispensable.
>> >> anyway, showing one line of missing file in log is not a big deal. we
>> >> don't constantly modify our crontab.
>> >>
>> >> best regards,
>> >
>> > My problem did not occur any more after I delete /var/spoon/cron/root,
>> > I don't know what exactly cause the problem.
>>
>> actually, as far as i can see. this message appears only once every
>> time i edit my crontab. it's not re-occurring. that's why i think this
>> is not a big issue.
>>
>> best regards,
>
> If you think this is a problem, why don't you report it to crinie devs?
>
> --
> Leonid Isaev
> GnuPG key ID: 164B5A6D
> Key fingerprint: C0DF 20D0 C075 C3F1 E1BE  775A A7AE F6CB 164B 5A6D

Okay, I will report it to the upstream to see what the dev says.