[arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

[Francis Gerund]

[EDIT:  in the previous post, the phrase "snip hunt" should of course been
"snipe hunt".]


On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Francis Gerund <ranrund at gmail.com> wrote:

> Where have the the most recent versions of the "real" Beginner's Guide
> been saved?  And how can they be retrieved (maybe using git, for example)?
>
> IMHO, for new users, the "Installation Guide" is not, never has been, and
> may never be a substitute for the Beginner's Guide.  The Installation Guide
> does not have enough detail, and many (most?) new users will not put up
> with being sent on a sadistic snip hunt through the thick jungles of the
> Arch Wiki, jus to do a basic console-only install.  And the elinks text
> browser on the install iso "just doesn't cut it".
>
> (Don't get me wrong - the Arch Wiki is a tremendous resource, maybe the
> best resource in the GNU/Linux ecosystem.  But, like Hollywood, it is no
> place for children.)
>
> I believe this change will only serve to alienate potential new users, who
> are the "life blood" of Arch, or any other organization or movement.
> Without new growth, any organism risks withering on the vine.  Just ask
> OpenBSD.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 3:14 AM, Jelle van der Waa <jelle at vdwaa.nl> wrote:
>
>> On 09/20/16 at 01:58am, David C. Rankin wrote:
>> > On 09/20/2016 12:00 AM, D C via arch-general wrote:
>> >
>> > The beginner's guide always provided an expanded section on each topic
>> in the
>> > install where different cards and potential pitfalls were discussed.
>> There was
>> > the varying network configuration options, netctl, etc., RAID setup was
>> > addressed, etc.. Now - nothing.
>>
>> If you look closely the information is there, for example:
>>
>> netctl => "Configure the network for the newly installed environment:
>> see Network configuration." =>
>> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Network_configuration
>>
>> RAID setup => "If wanting to create any stacked block devices for LVM,
>> disk encryption or RAID, do it now." =>
>> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/RAID
>>
>> So it's all in there, you just have to look :-)
>>
>> > We should consider the beginner's guide again -- it was invaluable to
>> new and
>> > beginner users to help them get a feel for arch. Even for those versed
>> in Linux,
>> > and with Arch, for the guys like me that do an install on a biennial
>> basis, that
>> > guide was a savior.
>> >
>> > Did no one want to maintain it? Why was the full beginner's guide
>> deleted?
>>
>> This has been announced and discussed on the mailing list and irc. And
>> the descision has been made to merge it into one page.
>>
>> The new smaller guide just links directly to the pages which contain
>> detailed information without the duplication of information.
>>
>> --
>> Jelle van der Waa
>>
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