[arch-general] Why there is no NetworkManager in ArchISO

[Junayeed Ahnaf]

How can I install dialog when I don't have wifi?

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On Jul 24, 2017, at 5:17 PM, Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at panix.com<mailto:jdashiel at panix.com>> wrote:

try the -o switch with wifi-menu is helpful and make sure you already have
the dialog package installed before you run wifi-menu.  On Mon, 24 Jul
2017, Junayeed Ahnaf via arch-general wrote:

 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 03:54:02
 From: Junayeed Ahnaf via arch-general <arch-general at archlinux.org>
 To: "arch-general at archlinux.org" <arch-general at archlinux.org>
 Cc: Junayeed Ahnaf <nirjhor at outlook.com>
 Subject: Re: [arch-general] Why there is no NetworkManager in ArchISO

 I've installed ArchLinux on 3 desktops so far, and I've done them
 successfully, so I must have *RTFM* , I was just wondering why is it
 hard to configure wifi. Since I failed to configure wifi with
 wpa_supplicant. I'll try with wifi-menu today, and report progress.


 No need to be so aggressive man.


 On 07/24/2017 01:48 PM, Robert Wong via arch-general wrote:
 A general Arch installation is nothing but a minimal set
 of GNU/Linux system with a package manager, which
 can be configured into anything. I'm not going any
 further for you have made yourself clear that you
 haven't done your research. Offensive as it can be, I'd
 say *RTFM*.

 PS: It's apparently navie to say sth like Arch is nothing
 but a desktop for archlinux.org<http://archlinux.org> itself runs on Arch Linux.


 RW

 -------- Original Message --------
 Subject: Re: [arch-general] Why there is no NetworkManager in ArchISO
 From: Junayeed Ahnaf via arch-general
 To: arch-general at archlinux.org
 CC: Junayeed Ahnaf

 All fine and good but I don't see arch being installed on something
 other than desktop/laptop. Of course there are niche cases as arch
 server I do not doubt but how much of arch install base is traditional
 desktop? I think it's rather high.


 On 07/24/2017 01:30 PM, ITwrx.org<http://ITwrx.org> wrote:
 On 07/24/2017 12:30 AM, Junayeed Ahnaf via arch-general wrote:
 Why is there no NetworkManager in ArchISO?
 Arch Linux is not like desktop focused distributions. Therefore, it's
 ISO does not come with "everything but the kitchen sink" where you have
 a turn-key desktop after running a GUI installer or install script. It
 has the base set of software you need to assemble what you need for your
 given install target.

 Isn't it widely accepted as
 the go to method of connecting to internet in Linux?
 No, not in general like that. Network manager is primarily used for
 network management with desktop environments, most commonly Gnome, as
 the other respondent noted. Arch Linux is used in many different ways,
 not only for the desktop.

 Is there any reason
 for it not to be default?
 The defaults for the ISO would generally be the simpler options, and
 less likely to be something large with a lot of dependencies.  Also,
 minimalist ISOs were the norm rather than the exception in years past
 and for Reasons. They still are in some cases or with some distros.
 Also, there are not always application defaults with Arch Linux like you
 might have with a desktop distro. Arch is "DIY/build your own and choose
 your own defaults (for the most part)" type of distro.