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[Martin Lefebvre]

Well... Over the weekend I managed to get java to work *YAY*

Now I gotta kick myself in the ass and learn it :/

> On Friday 20 May 2005 21:48, Dusty Phillips wrote:
>> Some days I'd rather be anunemployed Python programmer than a
>> dissatisfied C++ or Java
>> programmer saying "this would be so much easier in Python"
>>
>> Course, I never say that for Java, even though its sometimes true...
>>
>
> Well, if you're looking for a job, then it's probably easier to do in Java
> :P
> I don't know, in my research, I have wrote a set of programs for various
> tasks. The majority are Java, several are python and one is C++. I then
> use
> someelse's program for another task which is written in C.
>
> I think Python is a great language and a great starting point for budding
> programmers. Python reminds me of how I write in C++: objects for
> encapsulation, and then procedural from then on. So, a transition from
> Python
> to C++ in this way would be quite easy in that respect. However, a python
> programmer may be horrified at the C++ syntax. No more nice for loops.
> You'll
> probably have to use pointers eventually. The STL is darn hardy but it's
> not
> simple.
>
> Java uses a similar syntax to C++ (even more so now thank's to generics),
> but,
> when it comes to using collections, it isn't *as* bad. Java on the other
> hand
> enforces object-orientation design thoughout - no mixed mode here! I
> recall
> it took me a while to get used to that.
>
> One of the handy things with Java is that it's a rich platform. The
> language
> itself isn't terribly difficult, but it can take a while just to become
> familiar with all the classes that comes bundled with the Java Runtime.
> This
> obviously saves a great deal of effort since you need not reinvent the
> wheel.
> The number can in fact be a downside - I know students who write a lot of
> code when they could have utilised a class they didn't realise existed!
>
> Java is extremely important in the back-end and middleware domains.
> Enterprises like it because you can make good web-based rich applications.
> So
> there are a lot of jobs out there within these areas. Companies like IBM
> and
> Oracle are pouring resources to Java technologies. Note, Google recently
> released a Java app for uploading videos - so they must have employed at
> least one Java dev!
>
> Basically, (and obviously this is subjective) I'd say for the best
> all-round
> language, i'd choose Java. It's fast enough relative to C++ and much
> faster
> than any of the other high-level scripting languages. It's fully featured
> and
> the portability of your programs can be a real bonus.
>
> Andy
>
>> Dusty
>>
>> On 5/20/05, Martin Lefebvre <dadexter at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I'm thinking about going back to trying to learn C++ instead because
>> of
>> > that... what should I do? :P
>> >
>> > I'm a poor little python guy, but python isn't going to get me
>> anywhere
>> > on the job market (well, except some unrelated help desk job... but
>> I'm
>> > already there)
>> >
>> > >  From what I have heard, it is a pain. Because freebsd isn't one of
>> the
>> > > "download and go" platforms for java, and there are some issues with
>> > > recompiling the source on freebsd, *I think*. Not positive though,
>> but
>> > > I remember reading something about silliness of java on freebsd.
>> > >
>> > > Good luck.
>> > >
>> > > ps. Java is slow and ugly. :P
>> > >
>> > > Martin Lefebvre wrote:
>> > >> I moved to freebsd recently because Linux (any distro/version) runs
>> > >> like crap on my abit BP6
>> > >>
>> > >> constant APIC errors in syslog, and random freezes...
>> > >> hated it... freebsd seemed like my only option at that point... and
>> > >> runs fine...
>> > >> I'll figure out the BSD java stuff, was just hoping maybe someone
>> had
>> > >> java/freebsd experience :/
>> > >>
>> > >>>On 5/20/05, Martin Lefebvre <dadexter at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>I'm trying to learn java... but the install on freebsd is kinda
>> > >>>> tedious for a lazy person like me :/
>> > >>>
>> > >>>Means you're using the wrong os.... 'pacman -Sy j2re'
>> > >>>
>> > >>>If you're a lazy person, Arch is the distro for you...
>> > >>>
>> > >>>;-)
>> > >>>
>> > >>>Dusty
>> > >
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>> > Martin Lefebvre
>> > eMail: dadexter at gmail.com
>> >
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Martin Lefebvre
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