[aur-general] Proposed rules for packages entering [community]

Drew Frank goodgrue at archlinux.us
Thu Dec 4 13:52:02 EST 2008

There as been a lot of good discussion, and it appears there are more
or less two "sides" here.  Perhaps it would be a good idea for people
to try to summarize the argument of the "opposing side", to see if the
two groups really understand each other's positions.  I've seen a
bunch of good points made by proponents of either side, but there's a
danger that they're being lost in the mailing list deluge.  A concise
list of of the pros and cons of the various courses of action might be
a helpful tool, too -- editable by all on a wiki page, perhaps.

Just an idea :).


On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Allan McRae <allan at archlinux.org> wrote:
> Kristoffer Fossgård wrote:
>>> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 5:52 AM, bardo <ilbardo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Kristoffer Fossgård <kfs1 at online.no>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Your all missing my point. I never said counting packages by
>>>>> downloadrate is a perfect solution but that IT IS GOOD ENOUGH _and_
>>>> That's what I thought. Even monitoring a single download mirror could
>>>> be enough, if it's not an obscure and unpopular one. At least
>>>> gathered data would be statistically *relevant*, even though not
>>>> accurate. We can think of a single mirror as a good approximation of
>>>> the whole community, excluding i18n/l10n packages, which are highly
>>>> dependendt on the physical location of the mirror itself.
>>> Guys. I have to point out a flaw in this reasoning. We are talking
>>> about packages _entering_ community. Not remaining there. For packages
>>> not in community, there is no download except from the AUR website. We
>>> *could* in theory, track this, but there's 3 or 4 different ways one
>>> can download things from the AUR
>> There's one way technically. You download the tarball. Where are all the
>> other ways? Even if there are why is this even relevant? It's not like
>> a reasonably good-enough download counter is hard technically to
>> accomplish(feel free to scold me if you think it is).
>>> Again, just downloading a package does not mean I like it or use it.
>>> As someone previously stated: if you tell me you've never installed a
>>> packaged, tried it, and removed it because you didn't like it, you're
>>> probably lying.
>> Your still not getting it. The system doesn't have to be 100% perfect,
>> it only has to offer a representation of which packages
>> are "popular". that's it. we don't need to know how many "downloads"
>> are really "conscientious" because the large majority of them will be.
> The two systems we already have "offer a representation of which packages
> are popular" but there is much debate about how good that representation is.
>  A third is really not going to help....
> Allan

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