[aur-general] TUs and their following of the Bylaws

[Angel Velásquez]

On 07/08/13 08:33, Xyne wrote:
> On 2013-08-02 15:40 -0300
> Angel Velásquez wrote:
> 
>> Having that set, I am shocked about how the bylaws are being just used
>> just for addition process, but for somehow are being ignored for stuff
>> like quorum and removal procedures, some TUs look to otherside when we
>> mention this subject.
> 
> Can you more specific? Which bylaws have been ignored? When? By whom? As I was
> the one who brought up the issue of quorum, the implication is that I have been
> looking the other way on the rest of the bylaws. Is that what you meant to
> imply?
> 
> 
>> So, what's the point of having a Bylaw if you will not follow it?, why
>> don't modify it and remove that part that you don't want to be aware?,
>> being a TU is not about just delivering packages and orphaning /
>> splitting packages on the AUR, TUs must work as a group, and it used to
>> be like that when I was part of the team (I still feel part of the team
>> but seems that oficially I am not a TU, a corner case that is not well
>> documented on the Bylaws btw).
> 
> What exactly are you suggesting? What is there to do as a team that we are not
> doing as a team? This sounds a bit like "when I was your age, bands were better
> and the lyrics meant something". If you mean there have been a number of
> additions to the team who have been relatively quiet members then I might
> agree, but that in itself is neither against our bylaws. It would only be a
> real problem if it prevented quorum, but so far it hasn't. Personally, I don't
> mind with having extra hands around even if they're idle most of the time. It's
> not like we're paying for extra upkeep. Of course, that doesn't mean that "TU"
> should be nothing more than an extra title in the community. I just don't see
> the TUs as a three-letter Greek fraternity.
> 
> 
>> So, according to that, I don't want to say names (i did said those names
>> on the irc channel when I found the quorum situation on the last SVP but
>> as I've said nobody react .. bad bad bad, guys.. dissapointing I must
>> say), but I still feel that TUs must do that, not a guy which is not
>> completely a TU -yes, me-.
> 
> I find this annoying. I have heard on several occasions that a lot of relevant
> discussion as well as shit-talking takes place on that channel. Sometimes even
> important decisions are made there. That is not the place for it. This mailing
> list is the official means of TU communication. Don't show up here and casually
> mention that you have disclosed information there then withhold it here. It is
> petty and childish in my opinion. If you will say something about someone to a
> group of people when the person is not there, but won't say it again then the
> person is, then you probably shouldn't have said anything to begin with.
> 
> 
> 
>> Please check the last SVP and check who didn't voted, and some TU call
>> the rest of the group for either following the Bylaws, or call for a
>> modification of these Bylaws and allow these cases.
> 
> The bylaws have been followed:
> "active TUs that keep quorum from being established on a voting procedure for
> three consecutive voting procedures (they need not be on the same motion) are
> automatically brought up for removal procedure, by reason of unwarranted
> inactivity."
> 
> 
> I understand that you have spotted an issue with our adherence to the bylaws,
> but it is not clear to me what that issue is, so I do not know how to even
> begin addressing it.
> 

Supa easy, open the TU panel at the AUR, check who voted and who didn't
on the lasts SVP (the last three or more if you want) .. make some
decision about it, yeah we made the quorum but still, what about these
people that is marked as active, do packaging stuff but are working
isolated of the team? (seems to don't care about who we add or who we
remove).

After "stirring the pot" as somebody said to me, I consider that doing
patches for the AUR is good, in order to make everybody aware and have
no excuses for everyone.

Let's see what's happens on the next SVP ;).

Regards.

-- 
Angel Velasquez
Arch Linux Developer

angvp @ irc.freenode.net
http://www.angvp.com.ar

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