[aur-general] TU application, sponsored by Lukas Fleischer

carstene1ns arch at carsten-teibes.de
Fri Jan 24 13:53:19 EST 2014

Am 22.01.2014 23:56, schrieb Balló György:
>2014/1/22 Xyne <xyne at archlinux.ca>:
>> I don't want to discourage you from further contribution but I do not think
>> that you are ready to be a TU. You should take some time to address the issues
>> raised in this thread and then spend at least a few more months maintaining
>> your packages. Orphan some if you cannot adequately manage all of them. Quality
>> counts for far more than quantity.
> I agree with Xyne. You have to learn some more things and clean up
> your packages before you are ready.

After reading this thread I want to add something that bugged me (arch
power user for 4 years) for quite some time now:
When is the time someone is "ready" to be a TU? Maybe at some point I or
others intend to become one as well...
I mean yes, there are some information on the Wiki[1] and the minimum
requirements say clearly "maintain a few packages in AUR with clean,
high-quality PKGBUILDs", which is what was already mentioned in this
thread a few times.
But as I roam the AUR nearly every day, I often see PKGBUILDs, that are
maintained by TUs and not "clean, high quality". Most of them are older
than 2 or 3 years, but there are also exceptions.

Short excursion:
Lets take for example the TUs speps[2] and Dragonlord[3] (picked at
random, no offense, we all have skeletons in the closet):
speps has ~650 packages, ~50 marked as outdated, thats both quite a few.
Dragonlord has ~250, 6 marked as outdated. Also a lot of packages that
have fixes, patches or improvements in the comments for months or
_years_ for both of them.
We have 2014 now, pacman/makepkg changes that deprecate PKGBUILDs
without build() function, "|| return 1" and stuff have been there since
the mid of 2010. Now, lets filter it a bit using ack[4]:
In the AUR git mirror (I know this is not representative, but I did not
want to scrape the AUR website) are 734 packages, that have speps in a
Maintainer tag, 30 are missing a package() function, 17 have return
There are 210 packages, that have dragonlord in a Maintainer tag, ~40
with return statements and ~50 without package() function.
I know there are some false-positives, but bear with me. Dragonlord
sometimes only adds himself to Contributors rather than Maintainer. Also
there are packages with new maintainers forgetting to change the tag.
This cases are not easy to parse though.
There are also a lot of packages that do not use quoting for $srcdir and
$pkgdir, but this is just bad practice, not wrong per se.
If I look further there are a lot of PKGBUILDs with the old way of
checking out sources in VCS, this feature is available since
pacman/makepkg 4.1, considering this is available for more than half a
year and the TUs _should_ set good examples for others to follow, this
is also not like it should be.
You do not have to believe my numbers, just randomly choose some
packages and see for yourself.
End of excursion, back on topic.

I think onny *can* be a good TU as well, as long as he learns from the
problems that have been pointed out. He will likely learn from the
others as well and get better in time.

@onny: Discussion period is not over yet, hurry up and fix/orphan the
packages you maintain and your chances will increase.

@speps and all others with too many packages to maintain themselves:
*Just orphan* packages you do not actually use or want to maintain.
For you it is just one click in the AUR webinterface, but others will be
hindered in fixing them. What is the reason to have packages that are
marked out-of-date and broken for months[5] and years[6]? I do not get
it. Fire and forget, maybe?

closing words:
I know this reads in parts like a rant, but it is just to show you that
also current TUs are not better in some aspects.
Again it is not meant to blame speps (but seriously, just orphan some
packages! :P) or Dragonlord. Just my two cents.

best regards,

[1]: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Trusted_Users
[2]: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?K=speps&SeB=m
[3]: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?K=Dragonlord&SeB=m
[4]: http://beyondgrep.com/
[5]: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/lib32-freealut/
[6]: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/skencil/

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