[aur-general] Should TUs tolarate inapropiate behavior in the AUR?

Pedro A. López-Valencia vorbote at gmail.com
Fri Feb 12 19:39:39 UTC 2016

TL;DR: We need to start denouncing and culling sociopathic behavior
in the AUR and other parts of the Arch Linux community at large.

The thread "Misuse of AUR (yaourt) comments" brings to light in the 
words of Dave Blair:

> Det harassed me with out-of-date notifications too. He seems like a
> hustler. Not quite sure why anyone would want to hustle AUR packages,
> doesn't really make sense to me.

answering among previews emails in the conversation to what Ralf Maddorf 

> Reading Det's comments again, it's possible that I misunderstood those
> comments. However, maybe Skunnyk is sick of unflagging the package two
> times a day. I doubt that Skunnyk is "inactive", my guess is, that it
> makes no sense to unflag the package again and again.

To this I barged in and wrote:

> No Ralf, you did not misunderstand Det. The guy is a Finnish
> sociopath hiding behind pseudonyms, that harasses people to grab
> their popular packages in AUR. I gave him the vuze package to shut
> him up. If you don't believe me check how many packages he maintains.
> In AUR3 he used to have more than 600.

AS an aside, William Di Luigi wrote:

> These are ad-hominem attacks, I think this thread is being hijacked.

And I answered:

> No, I am not hijacking the thread. I am simply confirming Dave Balir
> and Ralph Maddorf's suspicions that they are dealing with a sick individual.
> And if you think I am throwing ad-hominem attacks is because you
> havenot receivied insulting emails from Det to your private mailbox.
 > And, as I said, he uses pseudonyms to do his sociopathic deeds, for
 > example nimetonmail at gmail.com that now nymshifted
 > to nimetonmaili at gmail.com.
> Just give me a moment and I'll open a new thread.

(Precisely this new thread)

Now, in support to my assertions there are these answers:

Ralph Maddorf:

> In AUR 4
> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?O=0&SeB=m&K=Det&outdated=&SB=n&SO=a&PP=50&do_Search=Go
> Maintainer Det: 105 packages found.
> Submitter Det:   63 packages found.

Dave Blair:

> I'm glad it's not just me then.
> But why would anyone want to hustle AUR packages? I don't get it.
> There are loads of orphans around, and maintaining a package can be a
> pain. It's not like you can make a living off it.

Now, after this long summary there is but one matter: This kind of 
behavior has to be stopped in its tracks. I gave a fair fight, part of 
which David Reisner had news as seen in 
<https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/42481>, but that was just the start of 
it. The harassment made me give "Det" the vuze package in a fit of 
disgust and rage (my fault, I know).

Now, what do I know about this "Det" character? He is Finnish, because 
one of the Gmail email addresses he used to harass and insult me had a 
Google+ page with all text in Finnish (very immature content, btw). I 
can't find that page anymore, probably he deleted it, there is also 
nimetonmaili at gmail.com, where he identifies as "Daniel Davis"; he had 
the gall of gloating it is not his real name. So we can have an idea of 
what kind of sociopath is this individual.

I let this pass for a long time, but I think it is the right time to ask 
the TUs *and* the devs to start a productive discussion about creating a 
code of conduct that allows us, the users contributing to the AUR, the 
forum and the IRC channels, to have a set of rules to be applied if 
people is disrespect to each other in the context of the community. Case 
in point, a long while ago, I witnessed some of the IRC channel regulars 
harass a girl in such a way that I thought the main harasser should be 
asked if he had ever been kissed. And we wonder why there are no women 
involved in Arch Linux, at least that I be aware of.

I am sure that like Bill and Ted, we all want to be excellent to each 
other, but unfortunately the times are such that most idolize being 
violent and abusive to each other. We can't stop the decay of our 
civilization but we certainly can try to stop it in the Arch community.

Pedro A. López-Valencia
Recession is when a neighbor loses his job. Depression is when you lose 
yours. -Ronald Reagan

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