[aur-general] Attempting to update upwork-beta, and hit a head-scratcher

Eli Schwartz eschwartz at archlinux.org
Mon Jul 16 18:46:08 UTC 2018

On 07/16/2018 01:47 PM, Shane Simmons via aur-requests wrote:
> I never received any kind of notification that my account was
> suspended, or why.  As far as I can recall, my best guess would be
> that it was because I had stupidly published a bug comment to the
> aurman AUR page and was harshly schooled by the aurman developer that
> his package depends on a -git package, which had to be installed
> manually because, again, stupidly, I didn't know that -git packages'
> PKGBUILDs don't contain the current version, but is instead
> calculated during install.
> If that's why, after I understood the issue I just shrugged and went 
> on with my life, and wasn't aware there was a continuing problem 
> until I tried to push updates.  I'm more than happy to push my 
> changes if I can; if it can't be reinstated, though, then I'd at 
> least like to know why, please.

I did that, because of:

Alad commented on 2018-06-06 12:00
I've already removed scores of spam from this page. The next guy who
makes personal attacks or feels entitled to support without using the
proper channels as kindly requested by the author will get his account
suspended indefinitely.

And it is rather disingenuous to suggest that you posted *one* comment
and then moved on with life. One comment, is the number of comments that
weren't deleted. You've got another five comments there that I or alad
deleted, which makes four comments (3 deleted) for that *one* issue, and
another 2 unrelated but also deleted comments.


Now let's consider why you were making all those comments on the AUR
page to begin with. It's because you already responded to a closed,
explained issue on the developer's Github repository:

And you did so in a rude manner, on top of ignoring the resolution (you
did not exactly ask for understanding, you merely told the developer he
was wrong).
He then banned you from his github repo *after explaining yet again*,
apparently because he dislikes you and doesn't want to listen to you
etc. yadda yadda yadda.[1]

So... you moved over to the AUR and decided to treat that as a means of
furthering your campaign of argumentation, after a couple exchanges of
which I deleted most of the comments and suspended your AUR account too.
Because if people aren't supposed to flood the AUR comments with
questions about the upstream development, then that goes triple for
using the AUR for the explicit purpose of circumventing the upstream
developer's ban policy for their own support medium.

FWIW your account is no longer suspended. But, keep in mind that again
there was a pinned comment warning users about the kind of behavior
likely to result in suspension.

I don't want to see this sort of hounding again. Picking a misguided
fight with people across two websites does not contribute value to the AUR.

(Next time consider politely asking on e.g. aur-general "they say this
is supposed to work, but I don't understand how, can some knowledgeable
person please explain the concept to me".)

Eli Schwartz
Bug Wrangler and Trusted User

[1] -- People are welcome to think whatever they wish about developers
who practice an over-eager ban policy, as long as they think it
somewhere other than the AUR. I also encourage people to read the
discussion at https://github.com/polygamma/aurman/issues/140 before
passing judgment.

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