[aur-general] TU membership application

[Jean Lucas]

On Sat, 2019-08-17 at 21:58 +0200, Robin Broda wrote:
> On 8/17/19 8:49 PM, Jean Lucas wrote:
> > Hi Robin,
> > 
> > On Sat, 2019-08-17 at 10:13 +0200, Robin Broda via aur-general
> > wrote:
> > > On 8/16/19 9:19 PM, Jean Lucas via aur-general wrote:
> > > > My name is Jean Lucas, and I'm sending this email to submit my
> > > > candidacy
> > > > for Trusted User member. As per the latest TU bylaws, I'm being
> > > > sponsored by both Alexander Rødseth and Sergej Pupykin.
> > > 
> > > How many TUs did you ask for sponsorship, and how many declined?
> > 
> > In totality, I asked 4 TUs - Alexander, Sergej, Alad, and you.
> 
> Why did you not make this clear in your application?

Since there is no formal guideline for writing an application AFAICT, I
thought it sufficient to include the names of those who agreed to
sponsor me.

> 
> I'm sure you've read the wiki article on Trusted Users[1] -
> > *Note*: Should the TU you contact decline to sponsor your
> > application,
> > you should make this fact known if you seek sponsorship from
> > another TU.
> 
> Have you at least told xyproto & sergej that you have approached alad
> and me,
> and the reason for me declining sponsorship?

I have not. I contacted Alexander before you something like 2 months
ago, and your formal refusal for sponsorship came in about 2 weeks
later. Admittedly, I forgot to mention that you'd declined my
sponsorship to both of them.

> 
> 
> > after a follow-up, you declined
> > sponsorship for the moment.
> 
> Indeed, I did however offer to review any new things.

You offered to answer any questions I had, and that you'd be checking
up on my packages every now and then to see whether the quality
improved without your intervention. You had already pointed out most of
the errors I had in my packages when we first chatted, so I opted for
mostly researching everything else on my own, reaching out to the
IRC/Matrix channels for a few missing bits every so often.

> 
> > I tried reaching out to you over IRC last Sunday, but alas, I
> > probably
> > should have done so over email instead.
> 
> This is the last i received from you, FWIW

I guess Matrix interaction with IRC is still a little wonky, then. :(

> > 0507201 9:00:00 <flacks> thank you for your feedback! all good
> > points
> > That said, I think its a bit unfair to say that I went off and
> > found
> > another sponsor without batting an eye - asking Alexander and
> > Sergej
> > seemed appropriate as they'd both adopted one of my packages, I had
> > worked with you to resolve some of my issues, I've gone over all of
> > my
> > packages with a fine-toothed comb many times now, and got more help
> > as
> > needed. I didn't suppose that having you decline sponsorship should
> > deter me from eventually applying until getting your approval. I
> > regret
> > that we didn't have better communication, though.
> 
> I don't think that's how it's supposed to work.

Can you please elaborate?

> 
> 
> > > As explained by others, most of these cannot be moved.
> > > Have you talked to your sponsors about this? What have they said
> > > about this?
> > 
> > I did not discuss the moving of those packages with my sponsors. I
> > was
> > hoping to get the community's feedback on the ideas.
> > 
> 
> But they're the perfect people to talk to about this!

You're right. Our communication has been a bit sparse, though, so it
didn't occur to me to run the package choices by them beforehand.

> 
> 
> > > xyproto, sergej - have you reviewed this application before?
> > 
> > They did not review my application. I composed it all myself, for
> > which
> > I take full responsibility. I had worked on their willingness to
> > sponsor me and sent what I considered to be a fair application
> > ready
> > for community feedback.
> > 
> 
> Welp, we cannot really move forward with this unless your sponsors
> are willing
> to sign off on your application, anyways.
> 
> 
> All in all I'm fairly disappointed in how rushed you are with this.
> You went through 4 people, and at least one has brought up concerns,
> the others likely being unaware...

My apologies for the disappointment. I thought I'd give an application
a shot sooner rather than later despite your refusal to sponsor me,
since I thought I was generally doing good in terms of package
management, after having taken your and Alexander's feedback into
account, as well as doing more research on my own to produce more high-
quality packages.

> 
> 
> [1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Trusted_Users
> 
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