[aur-general] aur-general Digest, Vol 192, Issue 4
Manhong Dai
daimh at umich.edu
Wed Oct 14 14:47:51 UTC 2020
Hi Alexis,
Thanks a lot for the contructive feedback!
I didn't receive your email actually! I found your reply in
the digest.
It might be our UMich.edu Gmail or AUR-general email server
right now. But this sge drama was not caused by the email issue. It is
caused by that I have an account in AUR, but didn't register the AUR-
general, and I didn't even know it exists until a few days ago.
I agree that "It seems that in the last times you didn't take
enough care of the sge package". The thing is My PKGBUILD just works
without any glitch on dozens of SGE nodes since day one. It includes
those C code modification I did in the past decade to make it work with
CentOS, Debian and the latest GCC/SSL in current Arch Linux. Further, I
don't have much free time to maintain a PKGBUILD file or read the AUR
wiki, just like many other AUR package maintainers.
Thanks a lot for the suggestion though, I will host my C code
modification with some upcoming accumulated improvement on github, as
github won't make me lose the package in a period of just two months
ending with two 19-minute apart email notifications.
Here is my suggestions to AUR though.
1, It seems that many PKGBUILD issues can be solved by a script. For
example, the PKGVER mistake that the current maintainer of SGE package
made and user a821 commented "The pkgver used to be 20200527 but now is
8.1.9. However 20200527 > 8.1.9 so epoch=1 might be
required." https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/sge/
Although I won't believe one who 'couldn't even get something as simple
as the pkgver right' cannot make a good AUR package because 'good' is
very subjective and definitely not limited to a PKGBUILD file, AUR
should have a script running from time to time to check such simple
mistakes and notify the maintainer. I actually believe that you already
have such thing because some comments on my other AUR packages are very
professional and like robot :). Or a command to check some common
mistakes in a PKGBUILD file?
2, Force an AUR package maintainer to join AUR-general, or send every
notification to the package maintainer, as I never received any email
notification about orphaning SGE.
Thanks your very much for your constructive feedback again!
Best,
Manhong
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> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 22:57:52 -0400
> From: Manhong Dai <daimh at umich.edu>
> To: Doug Newgard <scimmia at archlinux.org>
> Cc: Manhong Dai via aur-general <aur-general at archlinux.org>
> Subject: Re: [aur-general] Reply to your request SGE
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> You are right that I don't know what 'out of state' or 'out of date'
> or
> 'out of whatever' is. All I know is that I suddenly lost the
> ownership and
> will have to change my cluster maintenance code tomorrow.....
>
> In terms of pkgver or pkgbuild. Now you said nobody cares about
> pigver,
> guess who said this sentence below?
> 'You couldn't even get something as simple as the pkgver right'
>
> It turned out I can read and actually remember....
>
>
> Best,
> Manhong
> Sent from phone
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 10:46 PM Doug Newgard <scimmia at archlinux.org>
> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 22:38:02 -0400
> > Manhong Dai via aur-general <aur-general at archlinux.org> wrote:
> >
> > > I actually did read your email. You said I cannot get a simple
> > > thing such
> > > as pkgver right.
> > >
> > > Let me explain to you, from your point of view, you certainly
> > > want to
> > have
> > > some rule or guideline to make all the package has the same
> > > standard.
> > That
> > > is understandable and it is what make Arch Linux popular. I would
> > > love to
> > > be compliant with the rule whenever I have the resource, and I
> > > did with
> > all
> > > other my AUR packages.
> > >
> > > From my point of view, a pkgver is not the point here. I do need
> > > to make
> > my
> > > modified SGE package can be compiled with the latest SSL, GCC,
> > > other
> > Linux
> > > contribution, and can be used to upgrade an old node without
> > > losing
> > > configuration. No matter how bad a pkgver is defined, an Arch
> > > Linux with
> > a
> > > working SGE is away better, right?
> > >
> > > The problem is actually not on my side. Your request system has
> > > my email
> > > address, I sent you a request after the package was adopted, some
> > > bystanders figured out I didn't get any reply and sent your
> > > reply to me,
> > > That is when I knew that the request is also in the mail list,
> > > and such
> > > email list exists......
> > >
> > > Because you are attacking my capability, and I believe everybody
> > > who can
> > > read will know your claim is actually baseless, I did ignore your
> > personal
> > > attack in my previous email.
> > >
> > > Yes, I can say sorry about ignoring hat.
> > >
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Manhong
> > > Sent from phone
> > >
> >
> > So you read it and you're STILL top posting in violation of the
> > rules. And
> > making up something called "out of state" which doesn't exist. And
> > claiming
> > that you have to be on a mailing list when it's been explained,
> > multiple
> > times,
> > that you don't. You claim you're reading, now try understanding.
> >
> > Nobody cares what your point of view is on pkgver. It's obvious to
> > pretty
> > much
> > anyone that's ever written, or even read, a PKGBUILD.
> >
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 22:02:24 -0500
> From: Doug Newgard <scimmia at archlinux.org>
> To: aur-general at archlinux.org
> Subject: Re: [aur-general] Reply to your request SGE
> Message-ID: <20201012220224.44a4878b at Scimmia>
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> On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 22:57:52 -0400
> Manhong Dai via aur-general <aur-general at archlinux.org> wrote:
>
> > You are right that I don't know what 'out of state' or 'out of
> > date' or
> > 'out of whatever' is. All I know is that I suddenly lost the
> > ownership and
> > will have to change my cluster maintenance code tomorrow.....
> >
> > In terms of pkgver or pkgbuild. Now you said nobody cares about
> > pigver,
> > guess who said this sentence below?
> > 'You couldn't even get something as simple as the pkgver right'
> >
> > It turned out I can read and actually remember....
>
> Then try reading again, as that's not what I said at all. You either
> have a
> serious issue with reading comprehension or you're just making things
> up now.
>
> And you're STILL violating the rules of just about every mailing list
> out
> there, even after being told twice.
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 10:02:08 +0200
> From: Alexis BRENON <brenon.alexis+arch at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion about the Arch User Repository (AUR)"
> <aur-general at archlinux.org>
> Cc: Doug Newgard <scimmia at archlinux.org>
> Subject: Re: [aur-general] Reply to your request SGE
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> > Then try reading again, as that's not what I said at all. You
> > either have a
> > serious issue with reading comprehension or you're just making
> > things up now.
> >
> > And you're STILL violating the rules of just about every mailing
> > list out
> > there, even after being told twice.
>
> Just to try to calm down the conversation.
>
> Manhong, you say that this is your package, however, AUR is not the
> right place to host "your own" package, it is a place to host the
> community's packages.
> Actually, there is a dedicated maintainer who takes care of a
> package,
> and it seems that in the last times you didn't take enough care of
> the
> sge package (there is a set of rules to follow that make you a good
> care-taker:
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_package_guidelines),
> so you aren't the maintainer anymore. This seems fair.
>
> You complain about not being notified before you lost the
> maintainership. The maintainer always receives e-mail notifications
> to
> its personal e-mail address. You are the only one who does not
> receive
> it, maybe there is a problem on your side...
>
> In any case, there are some rules. They have been followed. And
> nobody
> can give you back the maintainership. You can ask to become a
> co-maintainer which sounds good, you do not have to bear all the
> burden alone!
>
> If you want to host "your own" package, following your own rules for
> the PKGBUILD format, and don't bothering with the community's rules,
> feel free to host your own AUR service on your cluster.
>
> Kind regards,
> Alexis
>
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