Which Emacs package?
Hey fellows; There are many Emacs packages available across Arch repositories and AUR. I list some of them here, in no specific order: From Extra repository: * emacs * emacs-wayland * emacs-nativecomp * emacs-nox From AUR and some third party repositories: * emacs-lucid-nativecomp * emacs-git * chaotic-aur/emacs-pgtk-native-comp-git I do not explain any of them for details. My audience is the one who already tried them, so can give me some advice. I already have tried all of them and also read archwiki's Emacs article. The Lucid one seems like the most stable with the least bugs, but with an archaic UI and without dnd support, but I do not use those scroll/menu/toolbars. Please, if you have any experience, share it with me. -- Best Regards, Abraham Sent with Tutanota; https://tuta.com
On 2024-03-30 at 19:26:32 +0100, "Abraham S.A.H." <arash.sah@tuta.io> wrote: > There are many Emacs packages available across Arch repositories and AUR. > > I list some of them here, in no specific order: > > >From Extra repository: > * emacs > * emacs-wayland > * emacs-nativecomp > * emacs-nox > > >From AUR and some third party repositories: > * emacs-lucid-nativecomp > * emacs-git > * chaotic-aur/emacs-pgtk-native-comp-git > > I do not explain any of them for details. My audience is the one who already tried them, so can give me some advice. > > I already have tried all of them and also read archwiki's Emacs article. The Lucid one seems like the most stable with the least bugs, but with an archaic UI and without dnd support, but I do not use those scroll/menu/toolbars. > > Please, if you have any experience, share it with me. I'm not exactly what you're looking for, from Emacs or from the mailing list. Is an archaic UI good or bad? Is drag-n-drop required? What kind of experience do you want me to share? I've been using Emacs since the 1980s (before X11, and on a wide variety of OSes). I've settled on the AUR's emacs-lucid. I agree that the UI is arguably archaic by today's eye-candy and must-be-animated standards, but I find it very clean and very responsive. I turn off the toolbars and menubars. I tried them in the past, but my fingers can (and do!) do things before my brain can think to use the toolbars and the menubars. I don't use drag-n-drop. The less I have to move my hands away from the keyboard, the better. I look at the scroll bars to get an idea of where I am in a file and how big the file is, but I never use them to scroll the text. HTH
I'm not exactly what you're looking for, from Emacs or from the mailing list.
From Emacs, to have as many functionalities working as possible with the least trade-offs and the least bugs and issues as possible. From mailing list, to tell me what Emacs they use and if they have some specific reason to choose it over others.
Is an archaic UI good or bad? It's not an objective matter. I personally saw GNUStep UI to be very much appealing. But it's not widely seen the same by other people.
Is drag-n-drop required?
Not *Required*, of course. I didn't have the opportunity to try it.
I turn off the toolbars and menubars.
I do turn off tool/menu/scroll bars all together anyway. I even turn off the title bar of the frame decoration. (fossdd@pwned.life) <mailto:fossdd@pwned.life>> I used `emacs-wayland` for a while instead of Emacs, because I already use a Wayland compositor I installed the `emacs-wayland` as the first Emacs of my life. Since my whole setup was pure Wayland. But I really need that daemon to stay awake all the time and do not crash when switching desktops, ttys, users and login/logouts. It and many other things appear to not work, and probably will never work, with GTK toolkit of Emacs. (aaronliu0130@gmail.com)> If you've already tried all of them, I don't know what to say. The Arch-maintained repo sounds like the stablest, and "emacs-wayland - with native compilation and PGTK enabled." sounds very appealing to me. That's so enlightening of you, Aaron. ;) -- Best Regards, Abraham Sent with Tutanota; https://tuta.com
GNUStep is a great example: I agree with you - it was w-a-a-a-y before its time. Still, I wasn't willing to go down that path alone. I worked on XEmacs for a long time, but eventually, I gave up - it just got too hard and too lonely. What I am saying is, I guess, it's all a personal choice. - vin shelton On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 4:13 AM Abraham S.A.H. <arash.sah@tuta.io> wrote:
I'm not exactly what you're looking for, from Emacs or from the mailing list.
From Emacs, to have as many functionalities working as possible with the least trade-offs and the least bugs and issues as possible.
From mailing list, to tell me what Emacs they use and if they have some specific reason to choose it over others.
Is an archaic UI good or bad?
It's not an objective matter. I personally saw GNUStep UI to be very much appealing. But it's not widely seen the same by other people.
Is drag-n-drop required?
Not *Required*, of course. I didn't have the opportunity to try it.
I turn off the toolbars and menubars.
I do turn off tool/menu/scroll bars all together anyway. I even turn off the title bar of the frame decoration.
(fossdd@pwned.life) <mailto:fossdd@pwned.life>> I used `emacs-wayland` for a while instead of Emacs, because I already use a Wayland compositor
I installed the `emacs-wayland` as the first Emacs of my life. Since my whole setup was pure Wayland. But I really need that daemon to stay awake all the time and do not crash when switching desktops, ttys, users and login/logouts. It and many other things appear to not work, and probably will never work, with GTK toolkit of Emacs.
(aaronliu0130@gmail.com)> If you've already tried all of them, I don't know what to say. The Arch-maintained repo sounds like the stablest, and "emacs-wayland - with native compilation and PGTK enabled." sounds very appealing to me.
That's so enlightening of you, Aaron. ;)
-- Best Regards, Abraham Sent with Tutanota; https://tuta.com
-- Whoa, I'm just surprised at how accurate that description of me really is: some old cowboy guy that used to shoot movies at Spahn Ranch
GNUStep is a great example: I agree with you - it was w-a-a-a-y before its time. Still, I wasn't willing to go down that path alone. I worked on XEmacs for a long time, but eventually, I gave up - it just got too hard and too lonely.
The same here. However, note that `emacs-lucid` package is not XEmacs. It's the current Emacs with lucid toolkit, provided by GNU Emacs itself. I just found today that it's pretty praised in Emacs dev mailing list. So being alone or using something that is not supported well is not the case with it. -- Best Regards, Abraham Sent with Tutanota; https://tuta.com
> >From Extra repository: > * emacs > * emacs-wayland I used emacs-wayland for a while instead of emacs, because I already use a Wayland compositor, but after some months I switched back because: * opening context menus, and going back to a buffer, * selecting text on a buffer while scrolling. So i settled with the emacs package and have been satisfied ever since.
Ey, If you've already tried all of them, I don't know what to say. The Arch-maintained repo sounds like the stablest, and "emacs-wayland - with native compilation and PGTK enabled." sounds very appealing to me. -- Cheers, Aᴀʀᴏɴ
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