Thanks again for the patch, Eli. Mark Weiman recently suggested "Submit Request" as an alternative in a private email. It's no secret that Mark and I don't always see eye to eye, but we do in this case. It's also worth noting that Mark has opened a ticket on the Bugtracker about this issue: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/47167. It might just need to be assigned to the correct person in order to be effective. "Submit" doesn't have the double meaning of "file" (WRT the AUR) and it's more widespread than "lodge". Plus, it'd be relatively easy to translate into other languages as it's very much a mainstream word. I would be happy to modify Eli's patch to "Submit Request", and then do all of the necessary translations via Google Translate. *Johannes*: Before I do so, can you please indicate whether this would be acceptable?

On 11/24/2015 06:54 PM, Johannes Löthberg wrote:

On 25/11, Xavion wrote:

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I would be happy to modify Eli's patch to "Submit Request", and then do all of the necessary translations via Google Translate. *Johannes*: Before I do so, can you please indicate whether this would be acceptable?

Sounds pretty fine to be, possibly throwing an 'a' in the middle there.

Well, "Submit Request" would definitely prevent the kind of issue that prompted the other thread. But I was also thinking of the issue Jiachen Yang raised in that thread, about non-native English speakers. He did suggest the specific terminology of "Delete/Orphan/Merge Request". [1] Johannes, I'm not sure why that would be confusing, but I will admit to thinking all of the possibilities, including the original, are quite clear. If "Submit Request" satisfies everyone, then so be it -- but sticking an "a" in there would basically go against the pattern of every other piece of text on the page. [1] https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2015-November/031783.html -- Eli Schwartz

On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 at 03:52:43, Xavion wrote:

[...] The only thing I had against "Delete/Orphan/Merge Request" is that it's a bit chunky. I wasn't going to argue, though, as you'd gone to the trouble of submitting a patch :-). The other thing is that a string like that could balloon out significantly post-translation.

"Delete/Orphan/Merge Request" is too long and it has a problem similar to "File Request" ("Delete/Orphan/Merge a Request").

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If "Submit Request" satisfies everyone, then so be it -- but sticking an "a" in there would basically go against the pattern of every other piece of text on the page.

I don't really mind anymore. The key point is that we're getting rid of "File Request", which even I (a native English speaker) found somewhat confusing.

Both "Submit Request" and "Submit a Request" sound fine to me.

On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 at 07:51:08, Eli Schwartz wrote:

Apparently the reference to "files" can be confusing.

Fixes FS#47167

Signed-off-by: Eli Schwartz --- web/html/pkgreq.php | 2 +- web/template/pkgbase_actions.php | 2 +- web/template/pkgreq_form.php | 4 ++-- 3 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-) [...]

It seems like this addresses all the issues I mentioned in the other thread. Since you were the first to submit a patch anyway, I will queue this one. Thanks!

Well, glad that's finally over!

I was kind of sitting on v2 until I heard a definite rejection of v1 from you.

Thanks again, Eli. Most would say it was only a little problem, but I think this fix will have a decent impact. If it was even troubling for some native English speakers, something had to be done about it.

And I really do think avoiding the "a" is a must, unless we stick a whole bunch more "a"s, "the"s, and "your"s in there to match it. That's just awkwardly verbose, anyway. ;)

I'm happy with "Submit Request" as well. Even if some bonehead interprets it as a "request for submission (of the package)", that's basically just an orphan request :-). We can't possibly lose with this rewording!