[arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 14:47 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
> On Tuesday 14 Aug 2012 09:08:36 Baho Utot wrote:
> > I don't understand your point....
> > 
> > What is so wrong with the booting using sysvinit?
> > 
> > I really don't need what systemd offers and sysvinit does everything I
> > need and has not failed me.
> 
> There's nothing inherently wrong with it, just like there was nothing 
> inherently wrong with pen and paper before computers came along.  Many people 
> would argue that pen and paper does everything they need, but that doesn't 
> change the fact that most people find computers more flexible.  Those wanting to 
> stick to pen and paper find themselves increasingly frustrated that they can't 
> get by without a computer.  It's not that they're not *entitled* to their 
> opinion, it's just that everyone else has moved on.  It's not a conspiracy; 
> things simply change.  Maybe you don't see the advantage, but other people do.
> 
> > So is your point that I need to move to systemd because the developers
> > tell me I must?
> 
> My point is that you need to move to systemd because if you don't, you'll be 
> using a system that noone is willing to maintain.
> 
> > As for systemd being better solution for the problem of booting the
> > beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I just don't see it, so why
> > take away sysvint?
> 
> Sysvinit will not be taken away.  However, as is the way of software, if 
> sysvinit is not actively maintained, it will simply stop working in a matter 
> of years.
> 
> > You can use systemd and I should be able to use what works for me and
> > not be forced down the systemd path.
> 
> Unwanted change is not nice.  In fact, I haven't switched to systemd yet 
> because I'm worried about the switch (even though I've heard it's pretty 
> easy), and sysvinit works OK for me right now.  However, I'm also interested 
> in discovering what all this new stuff is that everyone promises systemd can 
> deliver, so I'm happy with the idea that I'll switch at some point.
> 
> > Isn't this what open source software freedom is all about or did I miss
> > something....I have use linux from the redhat 5.2 (no I am not talking
> > the enterprise version) days.
> 
> No, open source software is not about giving you whatever software you want.  
> It's about producing whatever software you want, and letting anyone use it.  
> If you're willing to maintain Sysvinit, you're absolutely free to do that.  It 
> may well be that someone *will* be willing to do that when the time comes.  In 
> the meantime, I'm afraid your only choice is to use the software that is 
> maintained.
> 
> Paul

Not what I want to hear, but a good, objective statement!

Respect,
Ralf