[arch-general] Muting internal speakers

Oon-Ee Ng ngoonee.talk at gmail.com
Fri Jun 15 23:45:13 EDT 2012

On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Heiko Baums <lists at baums-on-web.de> wrote:
> Am Sat, 16 Jun 2012 08:23:54 +0800
> schrieb Oon-Ee Ng <ngoonee.talk at gmail.com>:
>> Your "facts" are opinions and assumptions, mostly about putting words
>> in the mythical "pulse fanboy's" mouth. Not to mention totally
>> unhelpful to the discussion.
> I would say, your nonsense is unhelpful. And my "facts" are facts. Just
> read them again, and read all other discussions about questions or
> problems regarding PA, and you will see it.

How is that relevant to this discussion? Or is it now common practice
to bring up things posted elsewhere by different people just to prove
your point? Straw men are useful that way. Especially when you have an
'either PA is good and awesome or its a useless piece of crap'

<snip a lot of repeated stuff>
>> Just stop pretending that your arbitrary criteria
>> for pulse is in any way an inalienable truth. Just to summarize, it
>> seems your two main gripes are lack of support for semi pro cards and
>> being "forced" to use it. The former is not likely to change, the
>> latter is patently untrue seeing as how you are already not using it.
> Not untrue, it's true. I have such an audio card and I tested PA
> myself. I bet you don't have such an audio card, you don't know how they
> work and you haven't tested PA with them. So who should stop pretending
> anything? You or me?

Sigh, please read before replying. The LATTER is untrue, I'm not
saying that your card works with PA (though you yourself said it does,
to a degree, meaning in stereo). You should stop pretending to being
forced to use PA (or that anyone in Linux is forced to use PA),
because THAT is untrue.

In other words, gripe 1 = support for semi-pro cards, gripe 2 = being
forced to use PA.

Gripe 1 is not likely to change, whether you like it or not. PA is an
abstraction which means the application using it doesn't need to care
about coding for ALSA. Upstream's decision for now is that supporting
non-stereo or 5.1 cards is not yet worth the hassle.

Gripe 2 is untrue and just FUD, especially on an Arch Linux list where
the developers (wonder in particular) have practically bent over
backwards accommodating users who want the choice.

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