[arch-general] `base` group replaced by mandatory `base` package - manual intervention required

Nero Claudius Drusus germanicus1982 at gmail.com
Fri Oct 11 02:04:36 UTC 2019

I want to clarify that I didn't mean "man" requires an internet connection.
Arch does and uses the wiki.

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 7:49 PM Nero Claudius Drusus <germanicus1982 at gmail.com>

> Let's face the facts. Man is superfluous for most people learning how to
> install Arch, especially since it forces you to have an internet connection
> in order to install.
> The wiki installation page so far hasn't included any extras other than
> the kernel (at least that I've noticed thus far, please correct me if I'm
> wrong). If it creates a broken system then that's a legitimate point of
> contention, otherwise it's just adding a couple more packages to your
> install script which falls exactly inline with Arch's minimal philosophy.
> On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 7:26 PM Eli Schwartz via arch-general <
> arch-general at archlinux.org> wrote:
>> On 10/10/19 9:00 PM, Nero Claudius Drusus via arch-general wrote:
>> > I've been following this discussion and can't see what the actual
>> problem
>> > is. I've installed a new system since the change and the installation
>> doc's
>> > have been updated appropriately. It still works. If you want extra
>> packages
>> > then add them, this, in my opinion, is what Arch is designed to do. I'm
>> not
>> > seeing why extra packages need to be installed based upon personal
>> > preference.
>> There's a community interest in something that helps you install
>> high-profile packages such as:
>> man-db
>> man-pages
>> less
>> diffutils
>> texinfo
>> vi (required by the POSIX User Portability option, commonly assumed to
>> be "the text editor you have even when you don't have anything else")
>> It is also easy, once you have something for that, to also have it
>> prompt you to install:
>> linux (most people's default kernel)
>> linux-firmware
>> These are some pretty reasonable basic assumptions to make, so it's not
>> crazy to think maybe users should be able to have some group of these
>> packages to make sure they don't forget anything. It's especially not
>> obvious that suddenly you need to install the `man` program as well as
>> the core set of linux manpages (containing the 1p section and most of
>> the good stuff in sections 2 & 3). But also texinfo, if you want to be
>> able to read most documentation from GNU projects which don't ship
>> proper manpages.
>> At what point does updated wiki documentation become a giant list of
>> "here's the things 99.9999% of people need but you'll have to install
>> separately after reading some caveat and if you don't, then you will not
>> even be able to type in 'man' to figure out your mistakes while offline"?
>> --
>> Eli Schwartz
>> Bug Wrangler and Trusted User

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