[aur-general] Someone hug sergej

w9ya w9ya at qrparci.net
Tue Dec 2 23:59:04 EST 2008


I assume you are not aware that anyone can apply and become a TU. Because of
that, if anyone thinks something needs to be done that remains undone, then
the answer is to simply ask to become a TU. Within a short time, if you are
ready with some few examples of your work, you will become one. We have only
turned down one applicant and that was for lying to us.

MORE TO THE POINT; When the aurvotes was added, we all knew that it could
not represent even one user correctly. Heck I have programs that dozens of
folks use that show NO VOTES, and they are using them by downloading them
from the community repo directly. At the time the aurvotes were added we
were promised that it would **NEVER  be mentioned that a TU was remiss by
not adding a aur entry that had some votes. Somehow over the course of a
couple of years we are now using a system of statistics that is decidedly in
error, with over two magnitudes of extremes and no way to determine the
shape of the curve (and the means). i.e. We have NO idea of even what ZERO
votes means.

It boggles the mind.

Very best regards;

Bob Finch

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Grigorios Bouzakis <grbzks at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 1:12 AM, Callan Barrett <wizzomafizzo at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > sergej I'm sorry for trying to vote you out. It was a pretty big dick
> > move on my part.
> >
> > I think you've shown yourself to be perfectly capable of maintaining
> > all these packages and like other people have said although it's
> > impossible for you to put complete care into each package you're very
> > good at fixing stuff when it's reported. I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW I
> HA!
> Thats very easier to say since many of the packages having 0% usage
> originally
> comes from you :P
> Seriously now, anyone who disrespects other people's work is an
> ungreateful son of a
> bitch. And Sergej has put a lot of work on packaging, no doubt.
> But that doesnt change anything. All facts remain. Maintaining
> hundreds of hardly
> used packages as binary while at the same time there are 300 scripts in AUR
> with
> more than 40 votes waiting to be adopted is not appropriate and a big
> problem.
> Moreover if you fail to admit that there is a problem. Archlinux has grown
> and
> continues doing so.
> And this has been a problem for far too long that needed to be solved
> at some point.
> In fact thats what [community] has always been about right? Having
> popular packages
> from unsupported?
> note: I wonder if the GPL commpliance issue involves [community] too.
> That would be a really
> interesting task to watch being achieved.
> As phrakture in one of his earlier emails, the most important IMO
> problem is there is not
> frequent commnication between the members of the TU group. As it
> happens for example
> with the developers.
> eg. Even TUs said on the thread i started on the arch-general mailing
> list that Sergej is a
> package making machine. And people have been saying that for as long
> as i can remember.
> He rarely paricipates on anything community related. Before the rules
> on voting, he never
> really did.
> Im not saying he should be available all day on the IRC, forum, and ML
> but he could be a bit
> more active especially on TU related stuff. Especially since he
> maintains lots of packages.
> And i only used Sergej as an example here. He probably is not the only one.
> Greg
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