[aur-general] "pepper-flash" naming?

Bartłomiej Piotrowski bpiotrowski at archlinux.org
Mon Nov 14 07:32:24 UTC 2016

On 2016-11-13 21:12, Eli Schwartz via aur-general wrote:
> On 11/13/2016 02:01 PM, Det via aur-general wrote:
>> That reasoning is pretty obvious.
> Debatable... but thanks for actually (finally) spelling out your reasons
> in your initial post here, rather than simply assuming everyone thinks
> the way you do.
> I could think of a bunch of arbitrary names, not just pepper-flash or
> flashlugin-ppapi.
> Maybe we should call it "googles-version-of-flash" (for the sake of
> sheer verbosity), or "chromium-flash" (because it is chrome-specific).
>> I don't understand what didn't you understand? I'll repeat. In [extra] we
>> have "flashplugin". In AUR we have "pepper-flash".  The difference is that
>> of only NPAPI/PPAPI. The source name of the thing is
>> "flash_player_ppapi_linux_<ver>.<arch>.tar.gz", which would be more in line
>> with the "official" "flashplugin" naming.
> What I don't understand is why that actually matters? There is no
> requirement that a pkgname should be based on the source url, and on the
> contrary, packages should be named something which users will recognize,
> regardless of what potentially retarded source filename is used by
> upstream (and they can get pretty retarded).
> pepper flash is well-known, comparatively few people know the difference
> between npapi and ppapi. I can assure you I wouldn't dream searching for
> your recommended name.
> If I was going to complain about anything, I would complain that "users
> aren't going to recognize 'ppapi', please consider renaming the package
> to something more memorable like 'pepper-flash'". And if the maintainer
> didn't like my explicitly stated reasoning, I would respect his opinion
> on account of he, not I, was the one who put effort into publishing and
> maintaining the package.
> Because at the end of the day, he, as the maintainer, is trusted to have
> the good judgment to name his package something sensible, and unless he
> is actually breaking the rules of the AUR, it is incredibly rude to pick
> a fight with him over it (as you did).
>> Funny. To my mind it was Scimmia giving the "behavior" (which has actually
>> been going on for quite a good while), but we are in fact allowed to have
>> completely different opinions.
> I don't think you want me to talk about the things I have seen said
> about your longstanding behavior when it comes to other peoples' AUR
> packages. (But see below, since you asked...)
> Suffice it to say, Scimmia is officially affiliated with the Arch Linux
> project, which implies that people trust his judgment. A lot. In fact, a
> lot more than you and I, who are simply random users.
>> For instance, if you don't want to have it renamed, as per disagreeing with
>> my arguments or otherwise, that's fine, but an AUR package not even
>> maintained by me will have zero to do with happiness in my life. :)
> Well, you initially complained about it on 2016-09-14, started nudging
> again on 2016-11-02 and 2016-11-12, and on the last occasion proceeded
> to get into an internet fight over it (once your nudnik behavior finally
> agitated a response to go away) then attempted to appeal to peer
> pressure by raising support for your position on the mailing list, using
> a stratagem that includes accusations such as "the maintainer is
> throwing his tantrum"...
> I would venture to say that yes, you are irrationally invested in the
> outcome of your arguments.
> I cannot say to what precise degree that may affect your life, but I can
> certainly theorize that that degree will be non-zero.
> At least two people insinuated that you may have a "collecting mania"
> and/or a "control mania" for AUR packages (cf. "[aur-general] Should TUs
> tolarate inapropiate behavior in the AUR?", Feb. 2016)[1] which would
> lend weight to the idea that your irrational investment in this is not
> my imagination.

This message pretty much outlines what would I write if I weren't so
lazy. (Also my English is surely worse than Eli's.)

Det, TLDR, a rename is not going to happen. Almost every message or
comment from you is toxic in some way and you can be sure that implying
that member of the project is "throwing a tantrum" after your pointless
AUR comments is not going to bring you anywhere.


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