[aur-general] I want to update gtkhtml4 in AUR

Mark Weiman mark.weiman at markzz.com
Mon Jan 28 01:19:17 UTC 2019


On Mon, 2019-01-28 at 09:04 +0800, hagar wrote:
> On 28/1/19 8:46 am, Mark Weiman wrote:
> > On Mon, 2019-01-28 at 08:09 +0800, hagar wrote:
> ...
> > As I mentioned a couple of months back - Not everyone has the same
> > > communication skills.
> > > 
> > > What may be clear to you may not be to someone else. I learned
> > > the
> > > hard
> > > way that -
> > > 
> > > "There is no such thing as common sense."
> > > 
> > > 
> > > All I wish to do is help improve the AUR.
> > > 
> > > Thanks
> > > 
> > > Macca
> > HTTP 403 is an HTTP code and is therefore documented with the HTTP
> > RPC.
> > 
> > .git/config is a file part of a git repository and is documented
> > with
> > the git application. The use of git especially is understood to be,
> > well, understood before using the AUR.
> > 
> > Arch Linux, as far as I'm aware, assumes you know about how to use
> > tools like git and I would also assume that you are capable of
> > figuring
> > out what an HTTP error code means based on something simple like
> > the
> > Wikipedia page that discusses HTTP status codes in detail.
> > 
> > If you feel otherwise though, the Arch Wiki can be edited by any
> > Arch
> > user that creates an account on the Wiki, but that's not something
> > the
> > TUs or others like me in this channel are responsible for since its
> > kinda assumed to be at least familiar with git before using it
> > (which
> > the AUR uses it).
> > 
> > Mark
> 
> I am concerned that the experienced users of tgis list dont seem to
> want 
> to help "newbies"
> 
> Any time they feel a question is in the realm of "Common Sense" they 
> seem to make "Assumptions"
> 
> then the user is summarily "told off".
> 
> 
> A general question to the community.
> 
> Do you want new users or not?
> 
> 
> You cant just make assumptions.
> 
> You cant just tell people that the it is well documented.
> 
> Why don't you just help them along in the first place. Build them up
> and 
> actually point them to helpful pages first.
> 
> Then actually check the documentation from a new users point of view
> to 
> see if it -
> 
> 1. Has missing information.
> 
> 2. Can be misinterpreted. (Not everyone has good language skills.)
> 
> 
> I am experienced in Linux, from LTFS, to Ubuntu. But have never had
> to 
> use git until now. I missed a simple thing that I managed to fix
> myself.
> 
> But I never make the assumption that others can do what I do.
> 
> 
> Please rather than flame new users, can we nurture and train them 
> instead. Give them specific help rather than a general "Read the
> docs."
> 
> I have found that for every person who has a problem and asks the 
> question there are hundreds of people who have the same problem But 
> don't ask.
> 
> 
> If anyone has watched Sesame Street you will be familiar with -
> 
> Asking questions is a good way of getting answers.
> 
> 
> Please, Please, can the experienced users here help rather than
> flame.
> 
> 
> Just my 0.02 cents worth.

This is not a discussion about tools or protocols exclusive to Arch
Linux. HTTP and git are widely used and it is the user's responsibility
to learn about these things before using them to the extent the AUR
requires.

I am not flaming you, I'm just telling you in an indirect way to learn
for yourself. Having no experience with git, which again, is a widely
used tool, is not an excuse to just play the ignorance card when you
are shown that you didn't do what you could have to learn to use the
tool. I sure did and then the parts I didn't know about, I sure as hell
didn't then argue with the person telling me that I could have figured
this out with some good ol' fashioned Google-fu.

Again, if you feel the documentation on the Wiki is lacking, feel free
to contribute.

This is where I'll leave this discussion...

Mark
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