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Fwd: Re: [arch-projects] Keeping the list alive!
by Andy Roberts 01 Aug '05

01 Aug '05

I'll forward this for Rasat as he only sent it to me but I expect it was for all. ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Re: [arch-projects] Keeping the list alive! Date: Monday 01 Aug 2005 15:45 From: Rasatmakananda <rasat(a)pacific.net.sg> To: Andy Roberts <mail(a)andy-roberts.net> On Mon, 2005-08-01 at 15:19 +0000, Andy Roberts wrote: > > .... the selection of > > language is also part of Arch's concept of KISS. > > http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?t=13576 > > This is surely from a programmers perspective, i.e., languages that make > programming easy. I really don't think that language choice was part of > Judd's vision, since he's a C programmer. Not Judd's vision but somehow the choice of C and Bash were the right languages making Arch an ideal distro where users can easily hack and configure as they want. This is the main factor in Arch. Not only a product to use but anyone who is interested can easily develop on their own or join in Arch development. What I am trying to say here, most of the Archers are "devs" in one way or other, or learn to become because of user contributions. Therefore loves in products/projects what is simple in performance and easy to help/hack for further improvement. If one sided, the language is too troublesome to read/hack, they may still use the product but will not show interest. The Arch Way: "Don't let configure tools / GUIs control the system but be controlled by the user". In my recent understanding, this principle applies not only, not to be controlled in configure matters but also not to be depended what tools offer. A tool should be hackable to be able to makes things as user want..... not what the tool want (smile). Rasat

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[arch-projects] Keeping the list alive!
by Andy Roberts 01 Aug '05

01 Aug '05

Hi all, I thought I'd give everyone a nudge to chip in with updates on their current project(s). This month, I have been mostly writing Jacman. (Fast show, anyone?!) So, c'mon guys, be honest... has it been worth my effort? Do you think people actually will use it? Does ArchLinux *need* such a utility? Or did I pick the wrong language? Bearing in mind that Archie won't use Jacman due to the size of the JRE. It's not that I haven't had lots of positive feedback. And even if no-one else liked it, it's certainly been good for practising Java GUI programming and how to interact with native commands. I'm just wondering what you guys think. What are you lot up to? Andy

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[arch-projects] Number Munchers
by Dusty Phillips 23 Jul '05

23 Jul '05

Here again, it lies with me to try to keep this poor list alive. I don't know if you guys just stop doing projects or what. ;-) I've been experimenting with Blender, Soya, and Python. I'm not very good with any of them, though the latter two are pretty much brainless. To try and improve my skills, I've decided to write a small 3D version of Number Munchers. I don't aim to make it a complete emulation or anything, just something to get used to the 3D programming a la Python (ie: no TransformGroups or vecmath package). Problem is, I don't remember much about Number Munchers. I was wondering if I could feed off your collective memories -- we seem to be approximately the age group that grew up on Apple IIe... god how time flies. Some of the things I'd like to sort of remember is the sort of levels that were available. All I remember is 'factors of 2' and 'multiples of 2'. I also don't remember much about the trogs (I *think* that's what the bad guys were called)... they each had distinct names and behaviors, I think. I think that the higher you went, the harder the levels became (factors of 8), the more advanced the trogs' tracking systems were, and the more trogs there might be on the screen at one time. I just don't remember details. My first aim will be to get a purple 8x8 grid (was it 8x8 or 10x10?) and a 3D green boxy character that will walk around on it. The camera will follow the character, at about 45 or maybe 60 degrees above the playing surface so that most of it can be seen at once. After that, I want to get the level generation code working, so that numbers show up and the guy (any idea what his name was? muncher?) has to walk around eating the correct ones. Next, I'll try to get the trog characters animated. That'll be it. Nice simple three-milestone release. I may never get to it, since I'm supposedly taking the month of August off from computers. :-D Any ideas? Anybody remember this game? Damn, next thing you know I'll be doing 3D oregon trail... Dusty

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[arch-projects] Arch Linux Java Packaging
by Dusty Phillips 04 Jun '05

04 Jun '05

Hey folks, I'd like some peer review on this document before releasing it to the hungry masses to tear apart and unconstructively criticize... http://www.buchuki.com/misc/archjava.html Jason: Could you post a link to this on the Developer Mailing list? They can direct any questions to me or discuss it amoungst themselves first. ;-) For those who don't like to randomly click links in an e-mail without knowing what they are, this is a first draft of a document I wrote that defines a new standard for packaging java applications. I'm looking for feedback and potential problems so they can be adjust or changed within the document. Dusty

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[arch-projects] window manager thought
by Dusty Phillips 02 Jun '05

02 Jun '05

This is sorta for Phrakture -- are you still working on a modular window manager based on litestep, or did you give that project over? but its also for anybody who's interested -- I know quite a few people are looking for 'the perfect window manager' and believe that such a program does not yet exist. I know about virtual workspaces and multiple desktops. I also recall Enlightenment allowing desktops bigger than the screen, but IIRC, you could only see a full screen at a time. What I'm thinking of now, is that often I need two windows open that are, by necessity, bigger than half the width of the screen, and in which I need to refer between the two often -- a browser and a text editor are a good example when you're coding HTML (This headache came to me at work, where I do web design and have to use WindowsXP and the horrid default window manager that comes with it... hmm, maybe I better try litestep. Man that would be cool, shock the hell out of my boss... oh yeah, this is windows, don't worry about it... hehehe). The way I generally work is to have the two windows overlap as little as possible; one upper left and one lower right, with an overlapping corner near centre screen, for example. I switch between the two as needed, and it seems like 2/3 of the time, information I need to read from one window is obliterated by the window that I am currently working in. Ah, one way around this is to use the composite extension... But, I'm wondering if anybody knows about a Window manager that would allow me to have the two windows side by side, not overlapping, but with part of both windows off the side of the screen. As I move my mouse to the right of the screen, it automatically moves the whole viewport to the right so I can focus that window. This is basically an extension of an 'infinite window manager' idea I had a while ago in which windows would never overlap (sort of like a tiling window manager, but they wouldn't necessarily have to be tiles; they would be floating windows that could be dragged anywhere except over top of other windows.) and the screen acts as a "viewport" into the infinitely sized desktop. You can move the mouse over windows. Now I'm even thinking that you could have the mouse always centred in the screen, and moving the mouse would actually move the entire viewport... would be hard to get used to, but could be interesting. I'm always bad for giving way too much background information like that. My questions are, does anybody know if any window managers that implement some of these ideas exist, and/or, would anybody (ie: phrakture) like to create something that could do this (ie: as a litestep module)? Oh, and does anybody think it would be a good or bad idea? Dusty

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[arch-projects] mBira project
by cactus 02 Jun '05

02 Jun '05

Phrakture and I have been working on a binary repository aggregator, for personal user repositories. http://mbira.cactuswax.net Goals: 1) To help reduce the disjoint nature of personal repositories. 2) To make searching for binary packages easier. 3) Replace the PRIMAL utility 4) Potentially interface with he AUR when possible. It should be noted that mBira is not an attempt to replace the AUR. It was meant to fill the gap between the binary packages that make it into the AUR community repo, and those packages held only by users. Binary package information is culled from a personal repository, not uploaded to mbira. pkgbuilds are not dealt with in mbira, as that is what the AUR is for. Comments and questions are welcome, either here, or in the mbira forums. -- -------------------------- Bender: It was horrible! A nightmare! Fry: What happened? Bender: I dreamt I was in a place of 0's and 1's and all of a sudden... I saw a two *whimper* Fry: It's ok Bender, don't worry. There's no such thing as 2's.

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[arch-projects] to you vim users
by Aaron Griffin 01 Jun '05

01 Jun '05

http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?t=12726 This util/plugin is *the* greatest thing to happen to me in a week or so (is that sad?) Check it out...

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[arch-projects] Opinion on a project of mine
by Martin Lefebvre 01 Jun '05

01 Jun '05

Hey guys Since this is a "projects" list, I decided to ask for eberybody's opinion regarding a project I would like to start... I have recently installed xmms2, and I am actually disappointed with the existing GUI clients, so I have decided to make my own... I am just not sure which language to use... I know python, a bit of C/C++, etc... Which one would you use for a project like that? (I can already hear someone screaming "JAVA!!!") :P -- Martin Lefebvre eMail: dadexter(a)gmail.com WWW: https://sigterm.homeunix.com Registered Linux User #349269 -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT dpu s:-- a- C+++ UL++++ P-- L++++ E--- W+++ N++ o-- K- w--- O- M-- V-- PS PE Y PGP-- t+++ 5- X R- tv++ b+ DI-- D+ G-- e h++ r++ y** ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

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[arch-projects] Arch AMD64 Port
by Dusty Phillips 27 May '05

27 May '05

Is anybody on this list associated with the project to port Arch packages to AMD 64? Or does anybody know who to contact about it? I know there's a forum topic for it, but I was hoping there might be a mailing list or project page somewhere. Or is it generally discussed on the AL mailing list, which I don't subscribe to? Or is it dead? I've got an AMD 64 machine sitting beside my desk seducing me into taking it home... countdown until 5:00 Alberta time begins now... :-D Dusty

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[arch-projects] Dead list
by Dusty Phillips 24 May '05

24 May '05

I can't believe I go offline for a few weeks and you guys let this list die. Shame on all of you. I thought I was the only one that wasn't working on any projects lately. Well, not true. I'm working on a website, and I'm getting paid to do it... I haven't been working on any interesting projects besides ordering a new computer. I'm going to be joining the AMD64 porting project sometime. ;-) And until then, Ensmer is on hold. What is everybody else doing lately, eh? On a more personal note, I have been accepted into the graduate program at York University. Apparently I'm going to be able to play with some cutting edge VR equipment. I hope that means I can take Ensmer into another dimension, as it were. Should be interesting times... only less time for Arch now, between having a summer job and a 5 term full time student program ahead of me. :( Dusty

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