Hi there,
I'm an admin of TUNA mirror site [1], one of the tier-1 mirrors of arch
linux.
We're currently setting up an addition server for our site. Therefore,
serveral new IP addresses are used by our servers.
Here is a full list of IP addresses that our servers will use:
IPv4:
- 166.111.206.63
- 166.111.206.176
- 166.111.206.177
- 166.111.206.178
IPv6:
- 2402:f000:1:416:166:111:206:63
- 2402:f000:1:416:166:111:206:176
- 2402:f000:1:416:166:111:206:177
- 2402:f000:1:416:166:111:206:178
I'm wondering if the admin of rsync.archlinux.org can add our new IP
addresses to the ftp_tier1 whitelist?
[1] <https://mirrors.tuna.tsinghua.edu.cn>
cheers,
--
Justin Wong
Hi,
Quite a while ago I introduced the lastupdate file so that mirrors that
want to sync very often (every minute) can do so without incurring high
traffic overhead. The script first checks if that file changed before
starting rsync.
However, this simple approach did not work well with the delay
statistics calculated by our website[1]. Because of this I have now
updated the script so that if no changes are detected, the lastsync
timestamp is still updated. I have also improved documentation and
performed some refactoring.
You can grab the updated script at the same location as before.
Colorful link: https://git.server-speed.net/users/flo/bin/tree/syncrepo.sh
DL link: https://git.server-speed.net/users/flo/bin/plain/syncrepo.sh
Tier 2 admins please note that this will only reduce your mirror delay
to nearly 0 if the tier 1 mirror you sync from also uses this script. If
they do not use it, you will have roughly the same delay as them.
I plan to contact tier 1 admins that are using the old script soon, but
first I want to see how much effect sending the mail to just the mailing
list has.
[1] https://www.archlinux.org/mirrors/status/
Florian
Well, I didn't own the domain too, but do you think is it political
correctness all over the place?
We removed a domain from mirror list because somebody claimed it's
offensive. To justify it, we were protecting Arch Linux's reputation out
of professionalism.
Isn't it literally self censorship? What if somebody claimed wtako.net
offensive because of some cosmetic reasons? What will Florian do then?
Remove it from mirror list because it offended nobody but him?
This incident is nothing but the most stupid thing I have seen in Arch
community yet.
Saren
On 西元2017年07月25日 15:23, Philip Stark wrote:
> I didn’t make any decisions.
>
> Also I didn’t say the domain was not a joke. I even smiled. I am personally not offended by it (even though I have to say, I checked the content of the domain with a small amount of trepidation. It’s the internet after all…)
>
> All I said is that it is a perfectly valid decision to disaffiliate because it sounds either like a joke in bad taste (which it is, and that’s fine) or like something genuinely illegal. Corporate IT usually does not investigate for long, they just come gunning for you.
>
> Also, it wasn’t banned, it was simply removed from the official mirror list. It can still host all the arch linux materials it wants. Nothing changed that respect.
>
> Your answers are a little black and white, don’t you think? This is JUST about protecting reputation. And Florian seems to value the reputation of a more corporate and conservative crowd more than the one of the 4chan/reddit crowd (or wherever one makes jokes like that nowadays. I am a little out of touch.)
>
> I am not officially affiliated with Arch Linux, btw. Just to make this clear.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Philip Stark
>
>> On 25 Jul 2017, at 09:13, Saren Arterius <saren(a)wtako.net> wrote:
>>
>> Agreed. This domain is definitely linked to supporting patriarchy,
>> pedophilia, human trafficking and slavery, and that's why this domain is
>> no joke and must be banned for hosting Arch linux repo, which is 10/10
>> understandable. I support all of your decisions. /s
>>
>>
>> On 西元2017年07月25日 15:06, Philip Stark wrote:
>>> Hi Saren,
>>>
>>> Unfortunately the joke domain is lacking it’s “just-kidding" emoticon. We live in a world where appearances matter, as much as we all wish it wouldn’t. Many people not steeped in “lulz”-culture would simply not get the joke. And that is a problem, imho.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Philip Stark
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 25 Jul 2017, at 09:00, Saren Arterius <saren(a)wtako.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Oh wow, did we just ban a mirror because of its joke domain? That's
>>>> 10/10 professionalism indeed.
>>>>
>>>> On 西元2017年07月25日 14:53, Philip Stark wrote:
>>>>> Hi Midov, Alucard,
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 25 Jul 2017, at 08:11, Midov <midov(a)midov.pl> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Florian Pritz,
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>> What does it take to remove all forms of free speech, before it
>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>> matter to anyone at all?
>>>>>>>
>>>>> This is not about free speech.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as I understand, you are free to host Arch Linux material on your server under whatever domain you feel like. That is as far as free speech goes. The decision by the Arch Linux project (through Florian) was to stop listing your server, which would imply a certain affiliation. That is not about free speech, it’s a decision by a non-governmental entity. They have the right (legally and ethically, imho) to decide whom to affiliate with, irrelevant of the reason.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a move that was borne from a concern for the reputation of the project. You seem to value “teh lulz” high, which is your right. Florian valued the reputation of the project higher than your right to have a goofily named mirror on the official list. I agree. And I’m not sure why that is such a problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>> Could you keep a list of alternative domains not deemed safe for
>>>>>>> work, but
>>>>>>> still mirrors for Arch?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Imagine if others were to host Arch, let's say on an OpenNic domain,
>>>>>>> or an
>>>>>>> onion address, would those get deemed Not Safe Work too?
>>>>>>> Maybe I'll register CIAloves2.divideandconqu.er to make it more
>>>>>>> palatable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>> How edgy...
>>>>>
>>>>>> I for one would download all my shit from cute loli mirror.
>>>>>> Triggered feminists have no place on the free internet, let them go
>>>>>> back to their censored safe spaces.
>>>>>> Thanks for your attention.
>>>>> Then go on, add this mirror to your config. Nobody asks you or them not to use this domain.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is not about feminism, free speech or safe spaces. This is about protecting the reputation of a project trying to project a certain amount of professionalism. And to be honest, I feel a little tired of these discussions trying to use free speech as a shield to waste everyone’s time just because they feel their little jokes deserve wide-spread attention.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> TL;DR: A non-governmental project has every right to associate with whatever entities they want. Florian felt that loli.forsale is a domain that does not represent the professionalism they would like to portray. Thus it was removed.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will answer replies, but I will no longer post about this topic to this list, as I feel it would be spam.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Philip Stark
>>>> <0x0465A111.asc>
>> <0x0465A111.asc>
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>Hi,
>
>I have received complaints about the domain name (loli.forsale) used by
your mirror. Apparently not everybody shares your humour and some people
find the domain to be offensive. Consequently this reflects badly on our
image.
>
>Please switch the mirror to an alternative domain.
>
>I have removed listings of the domain in question. I will add your mirror
again once it uses an acceptable domain name.
>
>Thanks for your understanding,
>Florian
Dear Florian Pritz,
Thank you for bringing to my attention the plight of the young
maiden by the username of lemma to remove the domain from the official
public list of mirrors Arch Linux maintains as to not offend her friends,
who I assume contribute a lot for the Arch Linux project. I am sure a lot of
time was invested during the investigation for formal complaints, and a lot
of work needed to be done to ensure the professional image of Arch in the
F.L.O.S.S. community could be maintained.
The last thing we want is to offend anyone, let alone longtime user
who's read our mailing list and IRC logs be scared of what a server or
distro is named for, instead of what the code instructs a machine to do. So
I respect the decision to inform me before any action was taken to remedy
the situation in a prompt manner. Because of this respect, I have a question
I would like answered if you could be so kind to ponder for me:
What does it take to remove all forms of free speech, before it doesn't
matter to anyone at all?
Please, do ponder that. Take your time. Don't worry about me, and the ISP
I'm building in Portugal to maintain Free Software projects, and users with
the same kind of principle. Heed no attention to the time I dedicated to not
only host the servers at the ISP, but the expenses on my behalf to maintain
them even against some of the most demanding of jobs, like working for the
National Center for Missing & Exploited Children. Please don't worry about
_me_, and the valuable time it took me find a representative to formally
reply on my behalf as professionally as possible (I have autism, my response
would have been incoherent if not for the professional help). Worry about
the users that will be eventually be banned because their thoughts offended
someone they do not know. For them alone will judge how a distro is seen.
My only hope, if possible, would be if lemma could contact me instead, and
asked why the domain exists in the first place, instead of demand that it be
removed from a list of alternative mirrors she could have gotten the same
software from. Plenty of other mirrors could be _offensive_ to anyone else,
but mines had to be the one to offend someone the most.
So with that hope in mind, I ask one favor, even if my domain should get
barred from arch forever:
Could you keep a list of alternative domains not deemed safe for work, but
still mirrors for Arch?
Imagine if others were to host Arch, let's say on an OpenNic domain, or an
onion address, would those get deemed Not Safe Work too?
Maybe I'll register CIAloves2.divideandconqu.er to make it more palatable.
Have a pleasurable understanding,
Alucard
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