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Re: [arch-general] A question about Arch Sixty Four
by Nicky726 25 May '10

25 May '10

Dne Po 24. května 2010 15:36:37 Keith Hinton at arch-general- request(a)archlinux.org napsal(a): > Hi all. > I had a question about the sixty four bit port of Arch in general so > figured this would be an okay place besides IRC to obtain any help I > needed. I wanted to find out ruffly how much memory Arch sixty four will > use for any program in general, regardless of GUI/console? > I have an Intel 2 core dule T9600 2.80 GHZ, 4 Gb of RAM installed, with a > 320 Gb hard-drive installed in my laptop. > I tend to put a lot of RAM aside for virtual machines specifically. At > present due to some requirements, I'm using Arch virtually on top of a > Windows Seven host. > I want to put this setup later on to Linux, and for now am doing fine with > this virtual stuff. However I should mention that the host is 32-bit at > present, and I was curious how much RAM is used in general under pure Arch > 64? > I would probably attempt to alocate about 3GB from the system. > Anyone using virtualization and VMs heavily on any platform is aware of > the RAM requirements, surely. > I was just curious if I'd be making a mistake and/or if this would be > possible? > Thanks! > > Regards, --Keith > Skype: skypedude1234 > MSN Messenger: > keithint37(a)hotmail.com > Yahoo messenger /AIM: > keithint1234 Hi, I have experimentally found out, that 64 bit Linux distro uses like 40 -- 80 % more of RAM than 32 bit. Now it seemed to be both aplication and distro dependant, with Arch being on the better side. Though I've got to say again, it was not a benchmark, just my personal experiment. As for me, if I had a machine with plenty RAM (that is from my perspective ~GB), than I would choose 64 bit. If I had like 1 -- 2 GB, than I would definitely go 32 bit. Hope I did understand your question right. -- Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got Till it's gone (Joni Mitchell)

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[arch-general] A question about Arch Sixty Four
by Keith Hinton 25 May '10

25 May '10

Hi all. I had a question about the sixty four bit port of Arch in general so figured this would be an okay place besides IRC to obtain any help I needed. I wanted to find out ruffly how much memory Arch sixty four will use for any program in general, regardless of GUI/console? I have an Intel 2 core dule T9600 2.80 GHZ, 4 Gb of RAM installed, with a 320 Gb hard-drive installed in my laptop. I tend to put a lot of RAM aside for virtual machines specifically. At present due to some requirements, I'm using Arch virtually on top of a Windows Seven host. I want to put this setup later on to Linux, and for now am doing fine with this virtual stuff. However I should mention that the host is 32-bit at present, and I was curious how much RAM is used in general under pure Arch 64? I would probably attempt to alocate about 3GB from the system. Anyone using virtualization and VMs heavily on any platform is aware of the RAM requirements, surely. I was just curious if I'd be making a mistake and/or if this would be possible? Thanks! Regards, --Keith Skype: skypedude1234 MSN Messenger: keithint37(a)hotmail.com Yahoo messenger /AIM: keithint1234

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[arch-general] A mirror question
by Keith Hinton 24 May '10

24 May '10

Hi, I was wondering what the best mirror would be for someone living ni Ohio? I'm curious if there are better mirrors than what I'm currently using? The present mirror I'm using is the esanews mirror, and I frequently get this while performing pacman upgrades with pacman -Syu: Could not download community.db and other such messages. Are there better mirrors in general? Or should I run the mirrorrank script? Hopefully the mirror script will use a U.S mirror as I live in the U.S. I mention Ohio because that's the state I live in presently, and am only trying to figure out if I could find a mirror that might be closer, or whatever. Thanks! Happy Arch linuxing! Regards, --Keith

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[arch-general] Strange suspend behaviour
by Stefan Afradi 24 May '10

24 May '10

I've set up my system so that when I close the laptop lid the computer goes into suspend mode. However, when I wake it up by pressing the power button the system starts, and after 3-5 sec it goes into suspend mode again. If I then press the power button again, it starts and stays on. Suggestions? -- Stefan

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[arch-general] Fwd: AIF through proxy
by Andre "Osku" Schmidt 24 May '10

24 May '10

sorry, forgot the list again... wont happen again! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Andre "Osku" Schmidt <andre.osku.schmidt(a)googlemail.com> Date: Sat, May 22, 2010 at 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [arch-general] AIF through proxy To: Xavier Chantry <chantry.xavier(a)gmail.com> On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Xavier Chantry <chantry.xavier(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Dieter Plaetinck <dieter(a)plaetinck.be> wrote: >> On Sat, 22 May 2010 02:04:41 +0200 >> "Andre \"Osku\" Schmidt" <andre.osku.schmidt(a)googlemail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Dieter Plaetinck >>> <dieter(a)plaetinck.be> wrote: >>> > On Fri, 21 May 2010 22:41:12 +0200 >>> > "Andre \"Osku\" Schmidt" <andre.osku.schmidt(a)googlemail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> >> >> just gives me the usage info, without any >>> >> >> errors... and also the "Invalid URL scheme" errors that i see in >>> >> >> tty7 are nowhere to find in /var/log/* >>> >> > >>> >> > what i would do in a case like this is just monitor the output of >>> >> > 'pstree' to see which processes is running (ie wget, pacman, ..), >>> >> > then you can debug the networking issue from there. >>> >> >>> >> oooh! you learn new things every day :) >>> >> super tip. thanks! i got something, maybe >>> >> >>> >> pstree shows (when it hangs in url scheme error) >>> >> aif /sbin/aif -p automatic -c /root/pacinst.aif -d -l >>> >> |--pacman --root /mnt --config /tmp/pacman.conf -Sy >>> >> >>> >> and as according to some forum post (and it seems to work only with >>> >> this) i had to uncomment: >>> >> XferCommand = /usr/bin/wget ... >>> >> in /etc/pacman.conf to get pacman to work on the installer image >>> >> console. and now looking at the /tmp/pacman.conf, this option is >>> >> missing. >>> >> >>> >> but as i assumed (and test showed) the /tmp/pacman.conf gets newly >>> >> generated on every aif run. so i cant edit that. >>> >> >>> >> what file could i edit to get that xfercommand in /tmp/pacman.conf >>> >> >>> >> (this looks even closer, OMG! /me is crossing fingers... :) >>> > >>> > another tip: just grep in the aif source code and you'll see. >>> > >>> > if you grep for '/tmp/pacman.conf' you'll see there is a function >>> > target_write_pacman_conf in lib-pacman.sh, like any other function >>> > you can override this with your own. >>> >>> awesome tip! many thanks, again! >>> >>> at line 72 in /usr/lib/aif/core/libs/lib-pacman.sh i added: >>> XferCommand = /usr/bin/wget --passive-ftp -c -O %o %u >>> >>> and aif gets packets though squid! and whats even better, pacproxy.py >>> works too, YAY! >>> >>> going to bed tired and happy :) >>> .andre >> >> actually i meant you can redefine the target_write_pacman_conf in your >> profile (pacinst.aif) >> >> btw i checked pacman.conf and it seems pacman by default uses a >> built-in http thingie, which does not support proxies. >> I think for aif, it's probably better to use the wget Xfercommand so >> that proxies work, especially for the target system. i'll check this on >> the pacman-dev mailing list. >> >> (btw you forgot reply to all) >> >> Dieter >> > > libfetch does support many proxy just fine, but it might be less > flexible than others. > Andre, can you show us *exactly* how you set http_proxy variable ? > In particular make sure you specified a protocol for the the URL. *DOH* (homer style) yes! i forgot to add http:// and ftp:// to the variables >.<* this works wonderfully with squid: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/216945/ now i only wonder what would be the best way and place to save these variables in the installed system ? in worker_configure_system() in the users aif profile ? but where should i write them on the installed system ? and can i restrict it only to pacman ? (for general proxy like squid. pacproxy.py would be only used by pacman, hence my main interest on it) 1000x thanks for the tips!

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[arch-general] Gnome - blank dialog when resuming from suspend
by Matthew Monaco 23 May '10

23 May '10

I'm having trouble finding a bug report on this but I've experienced it on 4 different computers. When I suspend (pm-utils) though System -> Shut Down -> Suspend (button), the shut down dialog is still on the screen and blank, when I resume. Anyone know exactly what's responsible for this? gnome-screensaver, pm-utils, gdm, ...? And if it's upstream or a distribution thing? (I think upstream). Thanks

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[arch-general] Recent telepathy-butterfly upgrade breaks MSN connection?
by Ye Li 23 May '10

23 May '10

Hi guys, Anyone met problems after the recent upgrade of telepathy-butterfly? In my box most of buddies are marked *offline* although they are actually online. Even oddly, downgrade telepathy-butterfly to 0.5.9-1 cannot solve the problem. So I'm wondering if this is a problem caused by the new butterfly package? Or something wrong else(e.g. MSN server problem). Thanks sincerely. Best Regards -- Ye LI

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[arch-general] new upstream tracker (linuxtesting.org)
by Andrey Ponomarenko 22 May '10

22 May '10

Hello, I'm from ISPRAS and we have created an experimental system for monitoring and analyzing of upstream libraries development. It may be helpful for analyzing risks of updating one of the distribution components (shared libraries). The web page of upstream-tracker is: http://linuxtesting.org/upstream-tracker/ It now includes ABI changes analysis and shallow API test results for several versions of 60 popular open source libraries. Any bugs or feature requests are welcome. Thanks. -- Andrey Ponomarenko Linux Verification Center, ISPRAS web: http://www.linuxtesting.org

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Re: [arch-general] AIF through proxy
by Dieter Plaetinck 22 May '10

22 May '10

On Sat, 22 May 2010 02:04:41 +0200 "Andre \"Osku\" Schmidt" <andre.osku.schmidt(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Dieter Plaetinck > <dieter(a)plaetinck.be> wrote: > > On Fri, 21 May 2010 22:41:12 +0200 > > "Andre \"Osku\" Schmidt" <andre.osku.schmidt(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > > > >> >> just gives me the usage info, without any > >> >> errors... and also the "Invalid URL scheme" errors that i see in > >> >> tty7 are nowhere to find in /var/log/* > >> > > >> > what i would do in a case like this is just monitor the output of > >> > 'pstree' to see which processes is running (ie wget, pacman, ..), > >> > then you can debug the networking issue from there. > >> > >> oooh! you learn new things every day :) > >> super tip. thanks! i got something, maybe > >> > >> pstree shows (when it hangs in url scheme error) > >> aif /sbin/aif -p automatic -c /root/pacinst.aif -d -l > >> |--pacman --root /mnt --config /tmp/pacman.conf -Sy > >> > >> and as according to some forum post (and it seems to work only with > >> this) i had to uncomment: > >> XferCommand = /usr/bin/wget ... > >> in /etc/pacman.conf to get pacman to work on the installer image > >> console. and now looking at the /tmp/pacman.conf, this option is > >> missing. > >> > >> but as i assumed (and test showed) the /tmp/pacman.conf gets newly > >> generated on every aif run. so i cant edit that. > >> > >> what file could i edit to get that xfercommand in /tmp/pacman.conf > >> > >> (this looks even closer, OMG! /me is crossing fingers... :) > > > > another tip: just grep in the aif source code and you'll see. > > > > if you grep for '/tmp/pacman.conf' you'll see there is a function > > target_write_pacman_conf in lib-pacman.sh, like any other function > > you can override this with your own. > > awesome tip! many thanks, again! > > at line 72 in /usr/lib/aif/core/libs/lib-pacman.sh i added: > XferCommand = /usr/bin/wget --passive-ftp -c -O %o %u > > and aif gets packets though squid! and whats even better, pacproxy.py > works too, YAY! > > going to bed tired and happy :) > .andre actually i meant you can redefine the target_write_pacman_conf in your profile (pacinst.aif) btw i checked pacman.conf and it seems pacman by default uses a built-in http thingie, which does not support proxies. I think for aif, it's probably better to use the wget Xfercommand so that proxies work, especially for the target system. i'll check this on the pacman-dev mailing list. (btw you forgot reply to all) Dieter

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[arch-general] Fwd: AIF through proxy
by Andre "Osku" Schmidt 22 May '10

22 May '10

or i fail in using gmail... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Andre "Osku" Schmidt <andre.osku.schmidt(a)googlemail.com> Date: Sat, May 22, 2010 at 2:04 AM Subject: Re: [arch-general] AIF through proxy To: Dieter Plaetinck <dieter(a)plaetinck.be> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Dieter Plaetinck <dieter(a)plaetinck.be> wrote: > On Fri, 21 May 2010 22:41:12 +0200 > "Andre \"Osku\" Schmidt" <andre.osku.schmidt(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > >> >> just gives me the usage info, without any >> >> errors... and also the "Invalid URL scheme" errors that i see in >> >> tty7 are nowhere to find in /var/log/* >> > >> > what i would do in a case like this is just monitor the output of >> > 'pstree' to see which processes is running (ie wget, pacman, ..), >> > then you can debug the networking issue from there. >> >> oooh! you learn new things every day :) >> super tip. thanks! i got something, maybe >> >> pstree shows (when it hangs in url scheme error) >> aif /sbin/aif -p automatic -c /root/pacinst.aif -d -l >> |--pacman --root /mnt --config /tmp/pacman.conf -Sy >> >> and as according to some forum post (and it seems to work only with >> this) i had to uncomment: >> XferCommand = /usr/bin/wget ... >> in /etc/pacman.conf to get pacman to work on the installer image >> console. and now looking at the /tmp/pacman.conf, this option is >> missing. >> >> but as i assumed (and test showed) the /tmp/pacman.conf gets newly >> generated on every aif run. so i cant edit that. >> >> what file could i edit to get that xfercommand in /tmp/pacman.conf >> >> (this looks even closer, OMG! /me is crossing fingers... :) > > another tip: just grep in the aif source code and you'll see. > > if you grep for '/tmp/pacman.conf' you'll see there is a function > target_write_pacman_conf in lib-pacman.sh, like any other function you > can override this with your own. awesome tip! many thanks, again! at line 72 in /usr/lib/aif/core/libs/lib-pacman.sh i added: XferCommand = /usr/bin/wget --passive-ftp -c -O %o %u and aif gets packets though squid! and whats even better, pacproxy.py works too, YAY! going to bed tired and happy :) .andre

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[arch-general] Fwd: AIF through proxy
by Andre "Osku" Schmidt 22 May '10

22 May '10

curse you gmail! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Andre "Osku" Schmidt <andre.osku.schmidt(a)googlemail.com> Date: Fri, May 21, 2010 at 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [arch-general] AIF through proxy To: Dieter Plaetinck <dieter(a)plaetinck.be> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Dieter Plaetinck <dieter(a)plaetinck.be> wrote: > On Fri, 21 May 2010 22:19:18 +0200 > "Andre \"Osku\" Schmidt" <andre.osku.schmidt(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > >> Hello Arch, >> >> is anyone using the arch installer with squid proxy ? >> (or any other cache proxy) >> >> i'm again so close my goal that it makes me nervous :) >> >> - squid installed on the host machine, 192.168.0.35:3128 >> - vbox client in the same machine, network bridged >> >> after login in the arch 2010.05 image (as vbox client) i do: >> # dhcpcd eth0 >> # export ftp_proxy='192.168.0.35:3128' >> # export http_proxy='192.168.0.35:3128' >> # pacman -Syu >> >> and it works, it gets the db from the proxy cache, and also updates >> pacman from there (i see it in the squid logs, and download speed). >> everything works ok. >> >> then i tried to use the attached pacinst.aif file as profile for aif >> -p automatic installation and i get the attached aif.log... >> (it fails on getting the core.db.tar.gz) > > no attachment? hmm, i see them in my gmail client... yeah. im lazy :) but what ever, here: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/216751/ http://paste.pocoo.org/raw/216759/ >> i cant attach any debug.log cause `aif -p automatic -c pacinst.aif -d >> -l` doesnt create any /var/log/aif/debug.log and `aif -d -l -p >> automatic -c pacinst.aif` > can you try an absolute path for pacinst.aif? same invalid URL scheme error >> just gives me the usage info, without any >> errors... and also the "Invalid URL scheme" errors that i see in tty7 >> are nowhere to find in /var/log/* > > what i would do in a case like this is just monitor the output of > 'pstree' to see which processes is running (ie wget, pacman, ..), then > you can debug the networking issue from there. oooh! you learn new things every day :) super tip. thanks! i got something, maybe pstree shows (when it hangs in url scheme error) aif /sbin/aif -p automatic -c /root/pacinst.aif -d -l |--pacman --root /mnt --config /tmp/pacman.conf -Sy and as according to some forum post (and it seems to work only with this) i had to uncomment: XferCommand = /usr/bin/wget ... in /etc/pacman.conf to get pacman to work on the installer image console. and now looking at the /tmp/pacman.conf, this option is missing. but as i assumed (and test showed) the /tmp/pacman.conf gets newly generated on every aif run. so i cant edit that. what file could i edit to get that xfercommand in /tmp/pacman.conf (this looks even closer, OMG! /me is crossing fingers... :)

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Re: [arch-general] AIF through proxy
by Dieter Plaetinck 21 May '10

21 May '10

On Fri, 21 May 2010 22:41:12 +0200 "Andre \"Osku\" Schmidt" <andre.osku.schmidt(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > >> just gives me the usage info, without any > >> errors... and also the "Invalid URL scheme" errors that i see in > >> tty7 are nowhere to find in /var/log/* > > > > what i would do in a case like this is just monitor the output of > > 'pstree' to see which processes is running (ie wget, pacman, ..), > > then you can debug the networking issue from there. > > oooh! you learn new things every day :) > super tip. thanks! i got something, maybe > > pstree shows (when it hangs in url scheme error) > aif /sbin/aif -p automatic -c /root/pacinst.aif -d -l > |--pacman --root /mnt --config /tmp/pacman.conf -Sy > > and as according to some forum post (and it seems to work only with > this) i had to uncomment: > XferCommand = /usr/bin/wget ... > in /etc/pacman.conf to get pacman to work on the installer image > console. and now looking at the /tmp/pacman.conf, this option is > missing. > > but as i assumed (and test showed) the /tmp/pacman.conf gets newly > generated on every aif run. so i cant edit that. > > what file could i edit to get that xfercommand in /tmp/pacman.conf > > (this looks even closer, OMG! /me is crossing fingers... :) another tip: just grep in the aif source code and you'll see. if you grep for '/tmp/pacman.conf' you'll see there is a function target_write_pacman_conf in lib-pacman.sh, like any other function you can override this with your own. Dieter

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[arch-general] AIF through proxy
by Andre "Osku" Schmidt 21 May '10

21 May '10

Hello Arch, is anyone using the arch installer with squid proxy ? (or any other cache proxy) i'm again so close my goal that it makes me nervous :) - squid installed on the host machine, 192.168.0.35:3128 - vbox client in the same machine, network bridged after login in the arch 2010.05 image (as vbox client) i do: # dhcpcd eth0 # export ftp_proxy='192.168.0.35:3128' # export http_proxy='192.168.0.35:3128' # pacman -Syu and it works, it gets the db from the proxy cache, and also updates pacman from there (i see it in the squid logs, and download speed). everything works ok. then i tried to use the attached pacinst.aif file as profile for aif -p automatic installation and i get the attached aif.log... (it fails on getting the core.db.tar.gz) i cant attach any debug.log cause `aif -p automatic -c pacinst.aif -d -l` doesnt create any /var/log/aif/debug.log and `aif -d -l -p automatic -c pacinst.aif`just gives me the usage info, without any errors... and also the "Invalid URL scheme" errors that i see in tty7 are nowhere to find in /var/log/* got 3 days free in a row, would love to hack on arch ;) cheers .andre

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[arch-general] [signoff] mkinitcpio-busybox 1.16.1-4
by Thomas Bächler 21 May '10

21 May '10

This release has been rebuilt with -Os optimization with gcc 4.5.1. Preliminary tests show that the bugs that gcc 4.5.0 caused in this package are gone now. Please rebuild your initramfs and reboot your machines. I will leave this in testing for a while to be sure no new bugs emerge from it. Please sign off after testing.

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[arch-general] can you only test certain packages?
by Caleb Cushing 21 May '10

21 May '10

I'm trying to help with the testing of perl 5.12 but I'd rather not test every package out there. Is it possible to block certain packages from being updated from testing? or only allow certain ones? maybe with a regex? obviously I don't wish to ban them globally. if they make it into a non testing repo I'm fine with it. -- Caleb Cushing http://xenoterracide.blogspot.com

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[arch-general] Policy concerning /usr/libexec
by Kaiting Chen 21 May '10

21 May '10

Hi I was wondering why the policy was to not use /usr/libexec and move what should go there to /usr/lib/<pkgname>. While it isn't serious it seems to me that this deviation from the default behavior is unnecessary. One scenario I can think of where this might cause a problem is if a very security conscious administrator wanted to mount /usr/lib as noexec. Kaiting. -- Kiwis and Limes: http://kaitocracy.blogspot.com/

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Re: [arch-general] Burning From Command Line
by Dave Morgan 21 May '10

21 May '10

On 20 May 2010, at 17:26, Carlos Mennens <carloswill(a)gmail.com> wrote: How do I create a bootable install disk from an .ISO image I downloaded from the Arch site? I would like to know how to do this via CLI only rather than using a front end GUI like Gnome Baker, K3B, or Brasero. Does anyone know the command to burn the image to disk via CLI and what packages I must have in order to do so? Wiki? I'm sure there must be something in there.

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[arch-general] Any TU would like to adopt xboard in extra? My updated PKGBUILD attached.
by Auguste Pop 20 May '10

20 May '10

Hi, I am new to archlinux and just tried to install xboard this afternoon and found out that the package is labeled orphan. I updated the PKGBUILD (attached) and made a successful installation. Any TU would like to adopt the package? The difference between the original PKGBUILD and my PKGBUILD is listed below: 6,7c6,7 < pkgver=4.4.1 < pkgrel=2 --- > pkgver=4.4.3 > pkgrel=0 14,15c14,15 < source=(ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/$pkgname/${pkgname}-${pkgver}.tar.gz) < md5sums=('4623a83fdd43f410bfcc8a20e2eb1474') --- > source=(http://ftpmirror.gnu.org/${pkgname}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}.tar.gz) > md5sums=('6b30535c0883205d23d389b12c1295a8') Thank you for your kind attention.

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[arch-general] Why is there no tftp client in inetutils?
by Karol Babioch 20 May '10

20 May '10

Hi, as I need a tftp client in order to reflash my WRT54GL I realised that Arch Linux hasn't got one in the main repositories. Normally "tftp" is part of Inetutils (http://www.gnu.org/software/inetutils/) Looking at the PKGBUILD of "inetutils" confuses me, as it explicitly disables tftp. I know that I can easily rebuild the package, but I'm wondering why it is disabled by default? At least you should provide a seperate tftp package, as there are certainly people who need a tftp client, for instance me ;). -- Best regards, Karol Babioch

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Re: [arch-general] [aur-general] PKGBUILD for django - orphaned and out-of-date
by stefan-husmann＠t-online.de 20 May '10

20 May '10

-----Original Message----- > Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 09:40:56 +0200 > Subject: Re: [aur-general] PKGBUILD for django - orphaned and > out-of-date > From: "stefan-husmann(a)t-online.de" <stefan-husmann(a)t-online.de> > To: "Discussion about the Arch User Repository $AUR$" > <aur-general(a)archlinux.org> > > -----Original Message----- > > Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 08:38:54 +0200 > > Subject: [aur-general] PKGBUILD for django - orphaned and > > out-of-date From: Puneeth Chaganti <punchagan(a)gmail.com style="margin:0px;"> > style="margin:0px;"> To: "Discussion about the Arch User Repository > > (AUR)" > > <aur-general(a)archlinux.org> > > > > > Hello, > > > > The django package [extra/django 1.1.1-4] is out-of-date and > > orphaned. > > Here is a package build for updating it to 1.1.2. > > > > I'm not sure if this should be updated to 1.2 or a new package > > should be created for that. > > > > Thanks, > > ~ punchagan > > > > > > > Hello, > > please file a feature request on bugtracker. This list is for AUR > packages only. > > Regards Stefan > > > Sorry, I am wrong here, filing a feature request is _not_ the way to go. Forwarding to arch-general mailing list.

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[arch-general] BASH no longer does 'for i in $(ls); do ls $i; done'??
by David C. Rankin 20 May '10

20 May '10

Guys, I'm usually quite good at one-liners, but my simple ones no longer work in Arch. Same cli works fine in suse. What have I messed up? To wit: 15:10 nirvana:~/dt/compiz/compizX11> l total 24 drwxr-xr-x 6 david david 4096 May 18 15:04 . drwxr-xr-x 9 david dcr 4096 May 18 15:04 .. drwxr-xr-x 2 david david 4096 May 18 15:03 i586 drwxr-xr-x 2 david david 4096 May 18 15:03 noarch drwxr-xr-x 2 david david 4096 May 18 15:03 src drwxr-xr-x 2 david david 4096 May 18 15:03 x86_64 15:11 nirvana:~/dt/compiz/compizX11> for i in $(ls); do ls ${i}; done ls: cannot access i586: No such file or directory ls: cannot access noarch: No such file or directory ls: cannot access src: No such file or directory ls: cannot access x86_64: No such file or directory 15:11 nirvana:~/dt/compiz/compizX11> for i in $(ls -d ./*); do ls ${i}; done ls: cannot access ./i586: No such file or directory ls: cannot access ./noarch: No such file or directory ls: cannot access ./src: No such file or directory ls: cannot access ./x86_64: No such file or directory Huh? Same thing on a suse box: 15:14 alchemy:~/dt/compiz/compiz_11.0> l total 24 drwxr-xr-x 6 david dcr 4096 2010-05-17 23:56 ./ drwxr-xr-x 9 david dcr 4096 2010-05-18 10:28 ../ drwxr-xr-x 2 david dcr 4096 2010-05-18 10:24 i586/ drwxr-xr-x 2 david dcr 4096 2010-05-17 23:56 noarch/ drwxr-xr-x 2 david dcr 4096 2010-05-18 10:22 src/ drwxr-xr-x 2 david dcr 4096 2010-05-18 10:21 x86_64/ 15:15 alchemy:~/dt/compiz/compiz_11.0> for i in $(ls); do ls -1 ${i}; done compiz-0.8.6-46.1.i586.rpm compiz-bcop-0.8.4-6.1.i586.rpm compizconfig-settings-manager-0.8.4-4.4.i586.rpm compiz-plugins-extra-0.8.6-8.3.i586.rpm compiz-plugins-extra-devel-0.8.6-8.3.i586.rpm <snip> What could keep the simple cli from working on Arch? I know this stuff worked before updates this morning... What should I look at? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com

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Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] New core package: linux-firmware
by Matthew Monaco 20 May '10

20 May '10

On 05/19/2010 05:39 PM, Thomas Bächler wrote: > As a followup to a discussion on [arch-general] in the Linux 2.6.34 > thread ([1] and others), I think we should do the following: > > - Create a linux-firmware package from the linux-firmware.git tree. > - Make that package conflict and replace all other firmware that it > obsoletes: > replaces=('kernel26-firmware' > 'ar9170-fw' > 'iwlwifi-1000-ucode' > 'iwlwifi-3945-ucode' > 'iwlwifi-4965-ucode' > 'iwlwifi-5000-ucode' > 'iwlwifi-5150-ucode' > 'iwlwifi-6000-ucode' > 'rt2870usb-fw' > 'rt2x00-rt61-fw' > 'rt2x00-rt71w-fw') > All other firmware packages contain only files that are not part of > linux-firmware. > - Remove the firmware from the kernel26 PKGBUILD, only use the > linux-firmware package instead > > I'm putting a package with the according conflicts/replaces to testing. > Please comment, test it thoroughly and give feedback. > > [1] http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2010-May/013329.html > Maybe this is a little premature, or altogether irrelevant, but now that we're reorganizing all of the firmware what can we expect in terms of its inclusion in the initcpio? Is there a direct relationship between modules and firmware so that just what's needed can be loaded automatically? Is it too much to just take it all with a 'firmware' hook?

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Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] phoronix: Is Arch faster than Ubuntu?
by Xavier Chantry 19 May '10

19 May '10

On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Aaron Griffin <aaronmgriffin(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Dan McGee <dpmcgee(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Aaron Griffin <aaronmgriffin(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Came across my reader today >>> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_arch_faster&num=1 >>> >>> Pretty neat. >> >> Showing boot-up time and other more noticeable waits would be a much >> better comparison; I think the benchmarks are not why people think >> Arch feels faster. > > Right but the reason I think this is interesting is that the data > shows it is "feels faster" not "is faster". > I basically agree with everything that was said and will try to re-conciliate the different opinions : 1. This benchmark is not particularly useful, as we are often used with Phoronix. They are often not well chosen and/or with bad interpretation, so it often annoys people who know better about a specific software/project. 2. Phoronix's benchmarks have the merit to exist and to provide facts, as opposed to many users who claims X is faster than Y, and NEVER provide any facts/numbers/benchmarks, even when specifically asked. I saw it happening many times in Arch community over the time, so now we at least have some data to show them. So I would still thank phoronix for providing benchmarking tools and results, which are definitely useful and needed. IMO the most interesting benchmarks are the ones comparing different versions of the same software, but this would also better be made in collaboration with upstream developers, as these are probably the only people able to really make sense and explain results. In any cases, thanks for the link Aaron :)

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[arch-general] Article about aircrack in the wiki
by Karol Babioch 19 May '10

19 May '10

Hi, I don't know whether my memory is right on that, but as far as I can remember there was an article in the wiki describing how to setup and use the aircrack- ng suite. I can't find this one anymore :(. Therefore I suppose it has been deleted. Am I right on this? If so, was there any specific reason? Any legal issues? I can't imagine that nobody has written an article about these tools. Is it safe to do so, or are there any concerns that should discourage me? I'm not a lawyer, but as there is a quite good documentation on the project site (http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=getting_started) it can't be that critical, can it? Normally you always have the possibility to say that you want to use it for educational purposes at home, at least from what I'm aware of. So is there any specific reason why there isn't such an article yet (but my memory tells me that there was one :)), or hasn't anyone thought of this until now? -- Best regards, Karol Babioch

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[arch-general] pkg-proxy ?
by Andre "Osku" Schmidt 19 May '10

19 May '10

Hi, i would like to experiment with (semi) automatic installation and configuration of my arch system(s). and to make it more faster i would like to setup a "pkg-proxy". on debian there are many tools for this http://www.debian-administration.org/polls/139 but i would rather not yet use squid (too much hassle) ;) at the moment i would use it on my host system, serving packages for vm clients. (when i get more money/hardware, i would try squid as transparent proxy) so, is there a tool for arch linux that caches arch packages, and which i can use as proxy in the arch installer and beyond. thanks .andre

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