November 2013 - Arch-general - lists.archlinux.org

[arch-general] Possibility of including xorg input patch
by Kirill Churin 25 Jul '15

25 Jul '15

Can this patch https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=33142 be applied to Arch's xorg? It solves famous problem https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865 with broken keyboard input for users who use multiple keyboard layouts without any noticeable side-effects. It's known this patch has been applied in Ubuntu. -- Kirill Churin Jabber: reflexing(a)reflexing.ru, ICQ: 8163230, Skype on demand.

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[arch-general] apache 2.4
by Caleb Cushing 04 Dec '13

04 Dec '13

I'm just curious as to why we're still on apache-2.2, at one point I think I assumed it was a php thing, but php-5.5 got lauched a bit ago and I can think of at least one php application I tried to run which wouldn't work on it, so that's probably not it. -- Caleb Cushing http://xenoterracide.com Calendar: https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=xenoterracide%40gmail.com&ctz=Ame…

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[arch-general] Segfault in Pool according to dmesg
by Mark E. Lee 03 Dec '13

03 Dec '13

Salutations, I was looking through my dmesg log and found a strange error: pool[2129]: segfault at 8 ip 00007fbddb60b1b5 sp 00007fbd87ffec40 error 4 in libglib-2.0.so.0.3800.2[7fbddb5a8000+fe000] My Arch Linux (64 bit) still starts up and runs fine. I have glib 2.38.2-1 and lib32-glib 2.38.2-1 installed. Any clue as to what that error is caused by? Regards, Mark -- Mark E. Lee <mark(a)markelee.com>

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[arch-general] Sorting by subject makes Evolution crash
by Ralf Mardorf 29 Nov '13

29 Nov '13

Hi :) Evolution crashes if I sort mails by subject. I got the obligatory reply at the Evolution mailing list, that usually other users get, when having an issue with Evolution. "It should be the fault of the distro", in my case Arch Linux. I don't think so, however, can anybody sort mails by subject with an up to date Arch Linux install? Reporting the bug to upstream seems to be useless. Perhaps something is broken for Arch or my Arch install only. Regards, Ralf -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)alice-dsl.net> To: evolution-list(a)gnome.org Subject: Sorting by subject makes Evolution crash - Was: [Evolution] "Reply to Sender" does same thing as "Reply to All" Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 16:05:15 +0100 Mailer: Evolution 3.10.2 On Fri, 2013-11-29 at 08:05 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > On Fri, 2013-11-29 at 13:37 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Fri, 2013-11-29 at 13:21 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote: > > > On Fri, 2013-11-29 at 12:46 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > However, Evolution does change it's behaviour with each upgrade to > > > > current stable versions of it's dependencies from upstream > > > Either stop spreading FUD, or be way more exact. > > The issues do change, > > Of course they change; releases done to include changes. > > > at the moment it's annoying for me that Evolution > > crashes when I try to sort by subject. > > Something in your distributions is *seriously* broken. That is not > Evolution. I have not seen Evolution crash for a very long time; and I > *use* it every single day for 8+ hours. > > > I'm serious and not trolling. What distro does provide a stable > > Evolution? > > openSUSE. At least it is entirely stable for me, on my hardware. > > > It's in the mail header, but FWIW, the version is 3.10.2 on a 64-bit up > > to date Arch Linux, IOW every dependency should be the current stable > > release from upstream. I don't remember when the issue started, but it > > seems to be one of the issues that appeared after upgrading other > > software, IOW seemingly something from the dependency chain. > > Of course, everything of significance is built on a dependency chain. > It is a problem when people believe it is OK to just willy-nilly upgrade > random parts of that chain. That component W is a stable release does > not mean that X, Y, and Z will run using it without issue; X, Y, and Z > may need to be updated to reflect changes in W. Or at least QC needs to > occur. > > Anyway, again, 3.8.x was stable for me, and 3.10.x is stable for me. I > sort, and search, and read, and send... all day long. Neither Arch Linux nor I do willy-nilly upgrade something, but I will forward this to Arch general mailing list. I'm using Linux only for more then 10 years. Suse isn't an option for my needs. Regards, Ralf

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[arch-general] vsftpd build option --- why not support tcp_wrappers?
by Yi Zheng 28 Nov '13

28 Nov '13

Hi, Piotrowski, Do you think it is necessary to add native tcp_wrappers support for VSFTPD? I do not use xinetd, and want restrict FTP accessing by IP. I have checked the current PKGBUILD script, and found currently no tcp_wrappers support available. Do you agree with me ? >From here, https://security.appspot.com/vsftpd/FAQ.txt Q) Help! Does vsftpd support IP-based access control? A1) Yes. vsftpd can integrate with tcp_wrappers (if built with this support). It is enabled with the setting "tcp_wrappers=YES". A2) Yes. vsftpd can be run from xinetd, which supports tcp_wrappers integration.

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[arch-general] dmraid package - continued upstream or to move to mdraid?
by David C. Rankin 26 Nov '13

26 Nov '13

All, tpowa, As of approximately 8-12 months ago, I was under the impression that upstream dmraid would not continue and that dmraid functionality would move into mdraid. (maybe that was just an arch plan?) Early in the discussion on this list it was noted that not all existing dmraid chipset support was included in the mdraid package. <quote> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:40 PM, David C. Rankin <drankinatty(a)suddenlinkmail.com> wrote: > Is there planned support for existing nvidia based dmraid arrays in Arch, I can only speak for myself, but to the best of my knowledge no Arch devs use dmraid, and upstream appears to be dead. Based on that I'd say the best choice would be to move away from dmraid if you can. <snip> -t </quote> I am at the point where I need to rebuild an arch server and must decide whether to continue with dmraid or move to mdraid. Looking at the current dmraid package 10/30/13 by tpowa (https://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/i686/dmraid/) dmraid is still in core. The redhat list makes no reference to dmraid not continuing, so I'm a bit confused about the earlier discussion. At this point is there any information to suggest that dmraid will go away? Also, anyone have negative experience with dmraid and grub2 or dmraid and systemd? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.

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[arch-general] GDB does not work, sometimes
by Rodrigo Rivas 25 Nov '13

25 Nov '13

Hi! I'm having a very weird problem with gdb. I hadn't used the debugger for some time, so I'm not sure for how long it has been broken... The problem is that the debugged program does not stop in any breakpoing, exception, signal... nothing. Just as if it weren't being debugged. First I thought that it was a problem with GDB and I was ready to submit a bug report, but then... I have gdb-7.6.1-1 and that has been in the repositories for several months. Surely someone noticed if it didn't work at all for so long! So I started investigating, but how to debug a broken debugger? Long story made short: * gdb fails even with the simplest program (`int main() {}`). I even disabled the start-up stcripts with "gdb -n", no difference. * it fails with programs compiled with both gcc and clang. * it does not fail if I debug as root. * it does not fail if I debug in a VT instead of a PTY. So it looks like some kind of permission issues. Maybe something related to the recent SELinux changes? Googling around I've found that setting /proc/sys/kernel/yama/ptrace-scope to 0 solves the issue. But it should not work this way: the idea of this key is that by default only the parent of a process can ptrace/debug it. And certainly, gdb is the parent of the processes it spawns (yes, I've checked it). Moreover, running "ptrace ls" works fine, so why not "gdb ls"? And what's the difference between a VT and a PTY? That I cannot understand. For now I can workaround with the "yama/ptrace-scope", but does anybody know what is happening? Best regards. -- Rodrigo

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[arch-general] virtualbox CPU issue / upstream has fix
by Genes Lists 21 Nov '13

21 Nov '13

I am seeing the same problem as reported (and fixed in 4.3.3 [1] ) of 100% CPU with Virtualbox 4.3.2. Any chance of getting the fix in the arch testing repo? [1] https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/12300 Thanks gene

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[arch-general] arch rollback machine
by Lieven Moors 21 Nov '13

21 Nov '13

Hi, Does anyone know what is happening with Arch Rollback Machine? The server (arm.konnichi.com) has been unavailable for more than a week now, and I'm depending on it to keep an offline machine up to date... Greetings, lieven

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[arch-general] Anyone has the skill to create a ArchLinux Logo render
by Brock.Zheng 18 Nov '13

18 Nov '13

Hi, I found a beautiful wallpaper in Unbuntu: http://www.linuxeden.com/upimg/allimg/131114/254-1311140Z412.jpg Anyone has the skill & art taste to render the Arch version? any interesting & comments? -- Brock Zheng <goodmenzy(a)gmail.com> 郑祎 Software Enginner

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[arch-general] Initramfs fallback render
by Ismael Bouya 17 Nov '13

17 Nov '13

Hi all, I have always learnt that it was good practice (to use sudo instead of root su and), when we use sudo, to completely disable root login (by disabling his password). However when we need to boot into "fallback mode", initramfs asks for root password! Is there a standard/automated way to ask/permit another user via initramfs in Archlinux? If not, how do you deal with that usually? Thanks in advance for your response! Regards, -- Ismael

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Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Dropping bluez4
by Andreas Radke 13 Nov '13

13 Nov '13

Am Sat, 12 Oct 2013 16:28:56 +0200 schrieb Tom Gundersen <teg(a)jklm.no>: > Hi guys, > > Once pulseaudio and bluedevil moves out of [testing], the only > official package depending on bluez4 will be blueman. > > As blueman was last released two years ago, and last upstream activity > was more than one year ago and that bluez4 is no longer developed > upstream at all, I suggest dropping both of them from the > repositories. > > Any objections? > > Cheers, > > Tom > I've done some work and research on bluez lately. I can confirm my adapters to work with bluez 5.10 and gnome-bluetooth (connecting to headset + smartphone) that has already moved to extra. I couldn't make it work with kde+bluedevil that is in testing. Also it seems not possible to use plain bluetoothctl to pair (works sometimes)/connect(never working here) your device and use plain alsa/obex. This is an annoying situation for any other desktop apart from Gnome. Blueman is broken and for many users not even starting. No idea about our networkmanager bluetooth support. Fedora 20 has switched over to only use bluez v5, OpenSuSE is also using it. We should search further how to solve kde and plain console situation. Is Bluez4 still required to use with obexd? If not we can drop it and focus on improving bluez5 support. Best would be to get bluez connecting to devices from console or/and to have a desktop independent frontend like this approach: http://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2013-July/030408.html -Andy

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[arch-general] Sourcing /etc/rc.conf in configs and .install scripts
by Karol Blazewicz 13 Nov '13

13 Nov '13

I noticed a few configs and .install scripts mention /etc/rc.conf (mostly it's just '. /etc/rc.conf'), even though initscripts are not supported anymore. For example locale.sh from filesystem package has elif [ -r /etc/rc.conf ]; then LANG=$(. /etc/rc.conf 2>/dev/null; echo "$LOCALE") fi Should I open a bug report for this?

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[arch-general] Should outdated changelogs be removed from the packages?
by Karol Blazewicz 13 Nov '13

13 Nov '13

Should outdated changelogs be removed from the packages? I'm guessing that this was the reason for removing the changelog from parcelite: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/37105 https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/community.git/commit/trunk?h=packag… htop's changelog has been removed earlier: https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/commit/trunk?h=package… even though it wasn't outdated, probably because the maintainer didn't want to maintain it anymore.

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[arch-general] selinux groups not working
by piruthiviraj natarajan 09 Nov '13

09 Nov '13

I am trying to install selinux on my system from Timothee's repos. But I am only able to install package group "selinux" but the *selinux-system-utilities, **selinux-userspace, **selinux-policies* and *selinux-extras* package groups doesn't seem to be working. [root@arch ~]# pacman -S selinux-system-utilities selinux-userspace selinux-policies selinux-extras error: target not found: selinux-system-utilities error: target not found: selinux-userspace error: target not found: selinux-policies error: target not found: selinux-extras [root@arch ~]# I know I can install from AUR but I was of the expectation that this should work from the http://repo.siosm.fr/$repo/ repos.

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[arch-general] linux-firmware upgrade altered grub
by Anthony Campbell 08 Nov '13

08 Nov '13

My laptop has dual boot with Arch and Debian. I normally have it set so that it defaults to booting Arch. After an upgrade yesterday which I'm pretty sure included linux-firmware I found that boot reversed the order and there were some other unwanted effects too. I reinstalled grub and grub.cfg and things went back to normal. Is this something to expect after such an upgrade? Is it documented somewhere? -- Anthony Campbell - ac(a)acampbell.org.uk http://www.acupuncturecourse.org.uk http://www.smashwords.com/profile.view/acampbell https://itunes.apple.com/ca/artist/anthony-campbell/id73235412

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[arch-general] can't locally sign Siosm key selinux
by piruthiviraj natarajan 06 Nov '13

06 Nov '13

Hi *Timothée Ravier*, I tried locally signing your key. But this is what I get pacman-key --lsign-key C8D83B6AE4B8685A7290545FDB27818F78688F83 -> Locally signing key C8D83B6AE4B8685A7290545FDB27818F78688F83... ==> ERROR: C8D83B6AE4B8685A7290545FDB27818F78688F83 could not be locally signed. But adding the key was sucessful. pacman-key --add /home/archie/Downloads/siosm_gpg.pub ==> Updating trust database... gpg: next trustdb check due at 2014-01-22 I am not sure how to do this. I read your links but coudn't get around it.

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Re: [arch-general] systemd --test
by Wayne S 05 Nov '13

05 Nov '13

At 11/4/2013 10:43 AM, you wrote: >On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Wayne S <linux(a)zuik.net> wrote: >> my apologies for improperly sending email to list. >> >> My question is how to properly use systemd --test: >> >> From the website: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TipsAndTricks/ >> >> It suggests to run this to see what would execute on boot for a unit: >> >> # systemd --test --system --unit=multi-user.target >> >> If I run this as root, I get command not found. So it is not in $PATH. >> >> If I run as root I get don't run as root: >> >> # /usr/lib/systemd/systemd --test --system --unit=multi-user.target >> Don't run test mode as root. >> >> If I run as user, I get a bunch of errors: >> >> $ /usr/lib/systemd/systemd --test --system --unit=multi-user.target >> systemd 208 running in system mode. (+PAM -LIBWRAP -AUDIT -SELINUX -IMA -SYSVINIT +LIBCRYPTSETUP +GCRYPT +ACL +XZ) >> Failed to set hostname to <arch-t3400>: Operation not permitted >> Failed to open /dev/tty0: Permission denied >> Failed to create root cgroup hierarchy: Permission denied >> Failed to allocate manager object: Permission denied >> >> Is there a way to use this command properly? >> >> Wayne > >I'm not a systemd guru, but try 'systemctl list-dependencies multi-user.target'. Thanks, I did run that command but did not see, for instance, shorewall, in the list. Also '$man systemd' says --test can be used to "determine startup sequence, dump it and exit." for debugging purposes. Perhaps this can only be used during an actual system boot on the boot loader command line? Wayne

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Re: [arch-general] systemd --test
by Karol Blazewicz 04 Nov '13

04 Nov '13

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Wayne S <linux(a)zuik.net> wrote: > my apologies for improperly sending email to list. > > My question is how to properly use systemd --test: > > From the website: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TipsAndTricks/ > > It suggests to run this to see what would execute on boot for a unit: > > # systemd --test --system --unit=multi-user.target > > If I run this as root, I get command not found. So it is not in $PATH. > > If I run as root I get don't run as root: > > # /usr/lib/systemd/systemd --test --system --unit=multi-user.target > Don't run test mode as root. > > If I run as user, I get a bunch of errors: > > $ /usr/lib/systemd/systemd --test --system --unit=multi-user.target > systemd 208 running in system mode. (+PAM -LIBWRAP -AUDIT -SELINUX -IMA -SYSVINIT +LIBCRYPTSETUP +GCRYPT +ACL +XZ) > Failed to set hostname to <arch-t3400>: Operation not permitted > Failed to open /dev/tty0: Permission denied > Failed to create root cgroup hierarchy: Permission denied > Failed to allocate manager object: Permission denied > > Is there a way to use this command properly? > > Wayne I'm not a systemd guru, but try 'systemctl list-dependencies multi-user.target'.

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[arch-general] systemd --test
by Wayne S 04 Nov '13

04 Nov '13

my apologies for improperly sending email to list. My question is how to properly use systemd --test: >From the website: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TipsAndTricks/ It suggests to run this to see what would execute on boot for a unit: # systemd --test --system --unit=multi-user.target If I run this as root, I get command not found. So it is not in $PATH. If I run as root I get don't run as root: # /usr/lib/systemd/systemd --test --system --unit=multi-user.target Don't run test mode as root. If I run as user, I get a bunch of errors: $ /usr/lib/systemd/systemd --test --system --unit=multi-user.target systemd 208 running in system mode. (+PAM -LIBWRAP -AUDIT -SELINUX -IMA -SYSVINIT +LIBCRYPTSETUP +GCRYPT +ACL +XZ) Failed to set hostname to <arch-t3400>: Operation not permitted Failed to open /dev/tty0: Permission denied Failed to create root cgroup hierarchy: Permission denied Failed to allocate manager object: Permission denied Is there a way to use this command properly? Wayne

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[arch-general] SELinux packages status update
by Timothée Ravier 03 Nov '13

03 Nov '13

Hi, I've updated all the SELinux related packages in the AUR. I've changed most packages names to better fit with upstream names and AUR naming policy (selinux-pam -> pam-selinux; selinux-usr-libselinux -> libselinux). I'll keep the old ones a week or two, just in case, then I'll ask for deletion. I've only tested those packages in SELinux _disabled_ mode as currently there aren't any usable policy. I'll be working on this from now on. Status of core packages that requires patches or rebuild: * linux: rebuild. bug opened in the Arch bugtracker; * coreutils: rebuild (links with libselinux); * cronie: rebuild '--with-selinux' flag; * findutils: need SELinux patch, can be upstreamed, but is upstream still alive ? * openssh: rebuild '--with-selinux' flag; * pambase: configuration changes to add pam_selinux.so; * pam: rebuild '--enable-selinux' flag for Linux-PAM, patch for pam_unix2, which only removes a function already implemented in a library elsewhere. Is there an upstream here? I couldn't find one; * psmisc: small patch, already upstream. Will be in version 22.21; * shadow: rebuild '-lselinux' and '--with-selinux' flags; * sudo: rebuild '--with-selinux' flag; * systemd: rebuild '--enable-selinux' flag; * util-linux: rebuild '--with-selinux' flag; Total: 1 rebuild as-is, 8 rebuild with additional flags/config, 3 rebuild with patches required (with one already upstream and two potentially dead upstream). I think this looks good! Suggestions for packages are welcomed as AUR comments or issues on GitHub: https://github.com/Siosm/siosm-selinux A repository with signed packages for x86-64 only is available at http://repo.siosm.fr/siosm-selinux/ (See https://tim.siosm.fr/repositories/ if you need instructions or GPG public key). I'll also update the Arch Wiki SELinux page soon. I'll setup an other repository for the SELinux policy as soon as I have something which can boot in enforcing mode. Cheers, Tim

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[arch-general] Revisit official SELinux support
by Karol Babioch 01 Nov '13

01 Nov '13

Hi, I'm wondering whether there was ever an actual discussion regarding the SELinux support within Arch. I could only find a bug report from September 2012 (see [1]), which was closed by Dave Reisner with kind of a lame comment: "A million times no.". After having dealt with SELinux on a couple of occasions I think that it is real security enhancement worth the initial hassle of setting it up properly (at least in a server environment). Looking into the support for SELinux in Arch I think it is way too messy to be actually used in practice (see [2]). I wouldn't go so far to suggest to enable SELinux by default as proposed in the bug report mentioned above, but I think it would actually make sense to support it - more or less - officially. I'm thinking about a model similar to the one implemented by Debian (see [3]). It basically comes down to installing some default policies and enabling SELinux by running a script. This would, however, require at least the stock kernel to have support for SELinux built-in by default. Are there any technical reasons for this not being the case already? I don't want this to become a discussion about the pros and cons of SELinux (on a desktop system) in general. I'm just wondering whether it would be feasible to implement "official" support for SELinux within Arch. So, if possible, please keep it technical. Best regards, Karol Babioch [1]: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/31448 [2]: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SELinux [3]: https://wiki.debian.org/SELinux/Setup

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[arch-general] mplayer2 deprecation
by kendell clark 01 Nov '13

01 Nov '13

hi all Since mplayer2 has been deprecated and moved to the aur, i've been trying to find another console video player that will play videos in full screen. I've tried mplayer and mpv, neither of which seem tow work. Browsing the arch wiki, I see I need kms enabled, so have set radeon.modeset=1 in my grub config file, and added radeon to the modules section of mkinitcpio.conf. After this, videos play, but only after adding fbdev2 to mplayer's config file, and only in a small box on screen, it won't stretch. Can anyone help me find a video player that will work? I have vlc for x, but I don't launch x that often. For now, I've used downgrade to install mplayer2 and it's old version of libquvi. I'll attach my .mplayer/config file for reference. Please note that when I'm using mplayer2, I don't select a video driver, mplayer picks the one that works, so I'm not at all sure which one ut's using. My system has an ati radeon hd4200 graphics card with the xf86-vide-ati package for x. I have no special configuration in x, I simply installed x, xfce, and x vlc, and the videos played. I hope this helps. Thanks Kendell clark

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[arch-general] Wacom CTL480S support
by J. ~marahin M. 01 Nov '13

01 Nov '13

Heyah. I've got an simple question: how does Arch stand with the support for Wacom graphic tablets? Especially the CTL480S version. As I lurked through the forums, it might not be supported in the Kernel yet (~ src: linuxwacom), but they also said that it should've been granted support in mid-october. So my question is - how does it really look right now (and does anyone have *any* experience with that particular model)? My first mail to the list also. ;-) Have a nice day! -- *Humanitee.pl - Hosting dla Ciebie!* <http://humanitee.pl/> Marahin ~ Homespace <http://marahin.pl/> Projectspace (3lab) <http://3lab.re/> Twitter <http://twitter.com/3labMarahin>

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