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[aur-general] openttd package removal
by Joao Cordeiro 07 Dec '10

07 Dec '10

openttd [1] is in community too. [1] http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=9391 Thanks in advance Joao Cordeiro

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[aur-general] removal of balazar
by Martti Kühne 06 Dec '10

06 Dec '10

balazar[1] can be removed. the project is abandoned and segfaults here. http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=11692

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[aur-general] Remember the rules for adding packages to [community]
by Allan McRae 06 Dec '10

06 Dec '10

So... I just noticed a package was added to [community] that I am certain did not pass any of the criteria required for being added. When I looked in the AUR for that package less than a week ago as a potential replacement for an old and unmaintained package in [core], it was not even in the AUR... and I can find no evidence for it every being added to the AUR in the time since. So it did not have 10 votes, it definitely would not have 1% pkgstats usage. So this is a reminder to everyone that there are rules about adding packages to [community] for a reason. With the complaints about running low on disk space being made lately, it seems we should remember to not put unused packages into [community] to prevent the remaining space being wasted... Allan

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[aur-general] Please delete vncviewer-enterprise 4.5.4-1
by Tom Wizetek 06 Dec '10

06 Dec '10

http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=44168 Thank you. -- TW / MajorTom

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[aur-general] Fix the Bylaws?
by Kaiting Chen 05 Dec '10

05 Dec '10

Apparently there are some people who think the bylaws are broken. On another readthrough it seems to me that the entire document could be streamlined substantially, and definitions could be made more explicit (especially in the matter of activity versus inactivity). In addition it is my personal opinion that the whole idea of the quorum should be reworked. According to Robert's Rules of Order, "should approximate the largest number that can be depended on to attend any meeting except in very bad weather or other extremely unfavorable conditions.". In the case of an internet presence where inclement weather is not an issue it seems to me that all active Trusted Users should be required to participate in a vote; if an active Trusted User does not vote then this should be taken as a sign of unwarranted and undeclared inactivity. Also I believe that it would be nice to include a clause indicating that the requisite numbers of votes for a vote have been achieved the vote should be allowed to end prematurely. For example if there are thirty Trusted Users and twenty of them vote for the addition of a Trusted User by the second day of the voting procedure then it should not be necessary to extend the vote to the full seven days because no amount of nay's can effect a negative outcome. In this case the five day delay that would result from a strict adherence to the current bylaws is wasteful inefficiency. In fact it is my desire that the bylaws resemble as closely as possible an already established system for such proceedings such as Robert's Rules of Order. --Kaiting. -- Kiwis and Limes: http://kaitocracy.blogspot.com/

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[aur-general] removal proposal for Ranguvar
by Ionuț Bîru 05 Dec '10

05 Dec '10

Hi, Ranguvar has been added in our team no more than last year. Conform bylaws a motion should be sent and two active TUs and a voting procedure should follow after 7 days of discussion. Here are my reasons: 1) i noticed in January he doesn't have an account on our devel panel, i asked him to send all the infos to get one and he replied that he doesn't need one because none of his packages are suitable for community. Replying to his email i encourage to get one and adopt some packages from community. At that time we have ~700 orphans and i haven't got any replies from him. 2) no commits in community since the addition. 3) he's not marked as inactive and conform bylaws this proposal doesn't have sense. Quoting: "There is one special case for removal, removal due to unwarranted and undeclared inactivity, for which standard voting procedure deviates from the above." I'm waiting to see your replies and then act based on them. -- Ionuț

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[aur-general] Understanding the Trusted User Bylaws
by Loui Chang 05 Dec '10

05 Dec '10

http://aur.archlinux.org/trusted-user/TUbylaws.html I've noticed that there have been a few cases relatively recently where people don't really understand the bylaws. I'd like to encourage all Trusted Users to read over the bylaws periodically to make sure that they fully understand the procedures. Questions and clarifications are welcome on this list. If something is hard to understand, the bylaws can be revised and amended. If you don't agree with a certain procedure that may also be amended. Thanks for your consideration.

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[aur-general] deletion request: squeak, squeak-basicimage, squeak-fullimage
by solsTiCe d'Hiver 05 Dec '10

05 Dec '10

hi. squeak-basicimage and squeak-fullimage refer to old image of squeak image file. also the package do not build anymore because the sources are not there. squeak.org does not provide basic or full but just images for now. So would it makes sense to remove them ? I have transformed squeak package into squeak-vm (renamed it). So squeak package could be removed also. I have emailed drgeo maintainer of the changes to not break dependancy there if you delete squeak package as expected. I would like squeak users, if there is ones over here, to test squeak-vm and squeak-image, because I am not a squeak user. http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=3705 http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=3707 http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=3706

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[aur-general] arduino cleanup
by PyroPeter 05 Dec '10

05 Dec '10

Hello AUR users! I borrowed an arduino recently and found the *arduino*-part of the AUR to be very messy. Here are my findings: ## arduino64-updated [1] Outdated for ages, the copy of a copy of the arduino-PKGBUILD. Can be deleted. ## arduino64 [2] and arduino [3] The difference is difficult to find, the descriptions do not help in any way. arduino depends on avrdude, while arduino64 includes an outdated, but patched avrdude from the Arduino-project. I wrote an architecture-independent PKGBUILD that could replace arduino and an adapted one that includes the patched avrdude. It could replace arduino64. I am not sure about the naming of the two new packages, but I think it would make sense to call the package with included avrdude "arduino", because the Arduino SDK includes avrdude by default. The other one could be called "arduino_unpatched". (I am using an underscore here to distinguish it from the "mainname-modulename" notation used by arduino-onewire (which is an add-on for arduino) tl,dr: arduino64 can be deleted, I would like arduino to be orphaned. ## arduino-pyro [4] I uploaded my new PKGBUILD for the arduino-without-avrdude package under this name to get feedback. It can be deleted. Regards, PyroPeter [1] arduino64-updated https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=32041 [2] arduino64 https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=24053 [3] arduino https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=8388 [4] arduino-pyro https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=43902 -- freenode/pyropeter "12:50 - Ich drücke Return."

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[aur-general] moving packages to community
by Ike Devolder 05 Dec '10

05 Dec '10

Thx guys for letting me know you would move some packages from AUR to community thats really stimulating to contribute something if you dont know what i'm talking about - libssh2 ( i picked it up after bash dropped it in AUR) - podofo (cant remember how i picked it up) It would just be a little polite , just to let someone know the move will be done cant be that hard to send a mail ;)

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Re: [aur-general] removal proposal for Ranguvar
by Linux Lover 05 Dec '10

05 Dec '10

2010/12/4 <aur-general-request(a)archlinux.org> > > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 17:07:54 -0500 > From: Loui Chang <louipc.ist(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [aur-general] removal proposal for Ranguvar > To: "Discussion about the Arch User Repository (AUR)" > <aur-general(a)archlinux.org> > Message-ID: <20101204220754.GC32145(a)celine.lan> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > On Sat 04 Dec 2010 23:59 +0200, Ionu? B?ru wrote: > > On 12/04/2010 11:53 PM, Ray Rashif wrote: > > >On 5 December 2010 05:46, Loui Chang<louipc.ist(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >>On Sat 04 Dec 2010 22:19 +0200, Ionu? B?ru wrote: > > >>>On 12/03/2010 12:06 AM, Ionu? B?ru wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>I'm waiting to see your replies and then act based on them. > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>>i don't see this being discuss any further and all messages have been > only > > >>>in one direction. > > >>> > > >>>i modified his account on aur to normal user. Ranguvar, i'm sorry for > this > > >>>and when you'll have time again you should consider applying again. > > >>> > > >>>Loui can you disable his account on sigurd? > > >>>Andrea can you remove his privileges from bugtracker and forum? > > >> > > >>You still need to create a voting proposal. > > >>Why doesn't anyone read the damned bylaws? > > > > > >I myself thought there would be voting, but I just realised Ionut > > >inferred that we needn't vote from the following: > > > > > >"for which standard voting procedure deviates from the above." > > > > > > > above being the voting procedure and from my understanding what is the > > opposite of having a voting? NO voting. > > > > > > we had this situation in the past and we didn't had any voting procedure. > we > > just removed it and we continued our business. > > > > with or without the vote, the result would be the same. And to be fair, > we > > are investing too much time in the removal, even more that he invested in > > community. > > Then don't waste any time on it. Leave it alone. > But if you do want to remove a Trusted User you MUST follow the bylaws. > Three days discussion and Five days of voting for removal due to > inactivity. Read the bloody bylaws. > > We cannot be at liberty to remove people without proper procedure. > Forgive me for speaking out of term here, but wouldn't it just be easier to amend the bylaws to get away of that ambiguity? Two people reading it, two different conclusions, sounds like a lawyer could make big money out of this ;-).

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[aur-general] removal proposal for Ranguvar take 2
by Ionuț Bîru 05 Dec '10

05 Dec '10

hi, because of my lack of understanding of bylaws and failing to comply with them on my first proposal, i like to take the chance and redo the proposal, following letter by letter the removing procedure. Conform bylaws a motion procedure should be sent on aur-general with reasons. Here are my reasons: 1) i noticed in January he doesn't have an account on our devel panel, i asked him to send all the infos to get one and he replied that he doesn't need one because none of his packages are suitable for community. Replying to his email i encourage to get one and adopt some packages from community. At that time we have ~700 orphans and i haven't got any replies from him. 2) no commits in community since the addition. 3) he's not marked as inactive and conform bylaws this deviates from the "above", above being, 5 days discussion period + 7 voting. Because of that i'm starting a 3 days discussion period and 5 days voting. Please discuss the motion(really discuss and not like in previous,couples of hours and the next days arguing about bylaws) Ranguvar can defend himself. -- Ionuț

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[aur-general] DELREQ for several gtk2/gnome/glib perl packages
by Justin Davis 05 Dec '10

05 Dec '10

I sent a delete request awhile ago but I haven't heard a response. In case it didn't send properly here it is again. These perl packages are already provided in the [extra] repository and due to naming confusion were uploaded to the AUR. I adopted these as the aurperl user when they were orphans. I noticed them last week when updating one. Here are the links, package names, and corresponding [extra] package. http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=25815 perl-gnome2 [gnome-perl] http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=25816 perl-gnome2-canvas [gnomecanvas-perl] http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=25817 perl-gnome2-vfs [gnome-vfs-perl] http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=25818 perl-gnome2-gconf [gconf-perl] http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=25813 perl-gtk2 [gtk2-perl] http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=25822 perl-gtk2-gladexml [glade-perl] http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=25814 perl-pango [pango-perl] http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=25812 perl-glib [glib-perl] http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=25810 perl-cairo [cairo-perl] Please delete these packages since they are duplicates. Thanks! -- -Justin

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[aur-general] Quorum?
by Kaiting Chen 05 Dec '10

05 Dec '10

I just noticed that a number of votes for the addition of a Trusted User in the past (including my own) did not ever reach the requisite sixty-six percent quorum. I really have no idea what to do about this. --Kaiting. -- Kiwis and Limes: http://kaitocracy.blogspot.com/

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[aur-general] deletion request: geogebra_dl
by solsTiCe d'Hiver 04 Dec '10

04 Dec '10

http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=23281 seems to be an old version of geogebra. it is orphaned. latest package is geogebra (3.2.45.0) or even geogebra-beta. so this one, geogebra_dl stucked at 3.0.0 could be deleted.

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[aur-general] deletion request: arista-bzr
by solsTiCe d'Hiver 04 Dec '10

04 Dec '10

hi. >From what I understand arista is on a git server. so arista-bzr is outdated. and could be removed. https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=25876 There is currently an arista-devel package but it should be better renamed arista-git. what's the way to go ? arista-devel is acceptable as a name even though it comes from a git ?

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[aur-general] Remove request
by jesse jaara 04 Dec '10

04 Dec '10

Please remove: openoffice.org-voikko http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=29139 A new pkg called voikko-openoffice was created to that the name would be similar to voikko-libreoffice suomi-malaga http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=29138 A new pkg called suomi-malaga-voikko was created because it is possible to build several different versions of suomi-malaga from the source one for voikko spell checker and a version for sukija. Sukija isn't in aur yet but I will make a pkgbuild for it soon. So the version it will use will be suomi-malaga-sukija. Depencys of other pkgs have been taken care of and wikipage if one exist will be updated shortly or if one doesn't exist I might create one. -- (\_ /) copy the bunny to your profile (0.o ) to help him achieve world domination. (> <) come join the dark side. /_|_\ (we have cookies.)

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[aur-general] Orphan request
by jesse jaara 04 Dec '10

04 Dec '10

Following packages have been out-of-date for a some time now suomi-malaga libvoikko enchant-voikko mozvoikko openoffice.org-voikko http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=29725 http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=9525 http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=30563 http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=29139 http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=29138 I have posted a up-to-date PKGBUILDs for some of them too and maled the maintainer a week ago but didn't get a reply. -- (\_ /) copy the bunny to your profile (0.o ) to help him achieve world domination. (> <) come join the dark side. /_|_\ (we have cookies.)

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[aur-general] Moving subtle to [community]
by Ángel Velásquez 03 Dec '10

03 Dec '10

Hi, I'd like to move subtle [1] to [community], as you see have 48 votes atm (including mine) and I think in [community] many people will give it a try. Opinions? [1] http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=13016 -- Angel Velásquez angvp @ irc.freenode.net Arch Linux Developer / Trusted User Linux Counter: #359909 http://www.angvp.com

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[aur-general] Removal request
by jesse jaara 03 Dec '10

03 Dec '10

Please remove libtuxcap-cvs http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=27469 as it is replaced whit libtuxcap-git -- (\_ /) copy the bunny to your profile (0.o ) to help him achieve world domination. (> <) come join the dark side. /_|_\ (we have cookies.)

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[aur-general] TU application - Kyle Keen
by keenerd 03 Dec '10

03 Dec '10

Xyne wrote: > What? You were his original choice for sponsor? I feel so used and cheap. > > How many more were there, Kyle? Tell me! There was only you. Always only you. Ionut was a giddy bit of foolishness, brought on when Falconindy convinced me to apply. I know not why I sought such a ménage à trois, but cooler heads did prevail and Ionut gracefully turned down my feckless advance. I never forgot your suggestions on the BBS, nor our lofty plans for the AUR, nor the long nights testing pkgbuild2json. I've missed working with you on such grand projects and hoped with my most secret of hearts that this Application would be the first step towards rekindling those old adventures. If you wish to spurn me now, I will accept that lonely fate. But please - let your motive be driven by your dreams for the future and not by petty jealousies of the past. Assiduously yours, Kyle

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[aur-general] [Orphan Request] [pytyle2-hg]
by Andrew Gallant 03 Dec '10

03 Dec '10

Hello, Could pytyle2-hg be orphaned? It can be found here: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=42541 The current maintainer used a "10 Minute Mail" address, so he cannot be reached. (I'm the developer of pytyle--I'll take over the package, as it is currently broken.) Thanks! - Andrew

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[aur-general] New Orphans
by Qadri 03 Dec '10

03 Dec '10

Hello all, I've been realizing lately that I have less and less time to spend on updating my Arch machine, having had a couple 1 or 2 gig updates involving hundreds of packages. So I just checked, and at least one of my packages in the AUR had been marked out-of-date and apparently I completely glossed over it. I'm no longer using any of the packages I was maintaining, so I'm emailing in case anyone wants to grab them before they fall into complete disrepair. MAQ. Packages: julius voxforge-am-julius sphinx4beta opengazer vxl-svn psad

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[aur-general] TU Application: Dave Reisner
by Dave Reisner 03 Dec '10

03 Dec '10

Greetings! Please consider this my application to become a Trusted User. My name is Dave Reisner, and I'm 27 years old, currently residing in the New York City area. Ionut Biru has graciously offered to sponsor this application. I'm a self-taught programmer, computer enthusiast, an occasional IT consultant, and I enjoy brutal sarcasm & dry wit. During the daytime, I star as a QA website tester, writing automated test scripts with the Selenium framework. At night, I prefer Bash & C, but I also dabble in Go, Java, Ruby, and Python. Although I've only been using Arch for a little over a year now, I've become very much appreciative and endeared to its simplistic style and offer of freedom in administration. I quickly settled into a CLI setup featuring DWM, mutt, ncmpcpp, tmux, etc and filled in any missing gaps with Bash and C programs of my own design. In particular, I wrote cower and burp, which interface with the AUR to do clean and fast downloading and uploading (respectively) from the AUR. Please feel free to visit my Github repositories [1]. I also consider myself to have been an active contributor to the Arch community. I advocate the testing repo (which I use on all the boxes I maintain), I diligently file and follow up with bug reports, providing patches or other solutions whenever possible, and I've made a few (though somewhat minor) code contributions to pacman. Over the course of the past year, I've picked up a number of packages in the AUR [2]. While many of these aren't very popular, I would like to make an effort to bring Systemd into community to make it more accessible. I believe that while it does not necessarily fall directly in line with the "true spirit" of Arch, it's an excellent project and there are many people interested in its offerings within the Arch community. I've been following its development since a month after Lennart made his initial announcement, and I have been the major provider of Systemd packages on the AUR. In addition, I've spoken with Daniel Griffiths and I offered to relieve him of some of his packaging duties (given his hectic schedule), and we agreed on: asciidoc, html2text, and rsnapshot. Eventually, as I become more comfortable with the role, I would like to take on more packages to help insure that our repos stay fresh and full of useful software. Since the recent cleanup. I'm happy to answer any questions you may have. Thanks for taking the time to consider my application. Dave. [1] http://github.com/falconindy [2] http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?SeB=m&K=falconindy

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[aur-general] Fwd: [arch-dev-public] Help on maintaining LXDE packages wanted
by Ionuț Bîru 02 Dec '10

02 Dec '10

maybe this was missed. Does any TU wants to maintain this? LXDE needs a maintainer to fit together all the pieces and currently is in bad shape. I don't want to push fixes that i can't test and i don't want to touch them anymore. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [arch-dev-public] Help on maintaining LXDE packages wanted Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 21:11:29 +0200 From: Jürgen Hötzel <juergen(a)hoetzel.info> Reply-To: Public mailing list for Arch Linux development <arch-dev-public(a)archlinux.org> To: arch-dev-public(a)archlinux.org Hi, anyone wants help out on this topic? I personally don't use LXDE anymore. Jürgen

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